(December 16, 2011 at 8:00 pm)Pete Wrote: My responses are just fine. But merely stating otherwise is not a logical response. If people are taking the time to read my posts then we'd get off this fine tunng thing and get to what I keep saying that I want to discuss, i.e. Multiverse.
When I learned of the Multiverse theory the constants of nature being what they are now make sense.
Best regards
Pete
If you want to get off the talk about fine-tuning, then talk about multiverse and stop making your long responses about fine-tuning. We both know that the fine-tuning arguement is flawed and we don't need to go into deeper detail.
Multiverse theory basically states (to my understanding) that every possible outcome of every possible action exists as its own universe - including universes set on entirely difference universal constants, princlples, laws of physics, default levels of energy, and so on.
In any case, I've never been 100% on board with the idea because it's not really based on anything other than some wierd things that happen in the quantum world involving probabilistic outcomes - which is also something I've never completely bought.
The quantum world is the finest example of humans only being able to see so far into the world of the very small but quantum physicists of some schools of thought seem to make out our limitations on being able to percieve quantum actions as the same thing as quantum principles - for example - our inability to see the position and velocity of an atom at the same time or other 'spooky' actions of particles.
Multiverse seems to be a step even further than that in that it is a hypothosis based upon a theory based upon our inability to accurately see what's going on in the quantum world.
It's a mess. It's incomplete. and it's rife with scientists taking huge logical leaps on things we only half-understand, if that.
It's not that I'm bashing the scientists that work so very hard on understanding the quantum world - we've discovered a great many practical applications of our quantum theories that are still bringing in newer and more awesome fruits, but multiverse is an example of some physicists letting their imaginations go a little too wild.
If today you can take a thing like evolution and make it a crime to teach in the public schools, tomorrow you can make it a crime to teach it in the private schools and next year you can make it a crime to teach it to the hustings or in the church. At the next session you may ban books and the newspapers...
Ignorance and fanaticism are ever busy and need feeding. Always feeding and gloating for more. Today it is the public school teachers; tomorrow the private. The next day the preachers and the lecturers, the magazines, the books, the newspapers. After a while, Your Honor, it is the setting of man against man and creed against creed until with flying banners and beating drums we are marching backward to the glorious ages of the sixteenth centry when bigots lighted fagots to burn the men who dared to bring any intelligence and enlightenment and culture to the human mind. ~Clarence Darrow, at the Scopes Monkey Trial, 1925
Politics is supposed to be the second-oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first. ~Ronald Reagan
Ignorance and fanaticism are ever busy and need feeding. Always feeding and gloating for more. Today it is the public school teachers; tomorrow the private. The next day the preachers and the lecturers, the magazines, the books, the newspapers. After a while, Your Honor, it is the setting of man against man and creed against creed until with flying banners and beating drums we are marching backward to the glorious ages of the sixteenth centry when bigots lighted fagots to burn the men who dared to bring any intelligence and enlightenment and culture to the human mind. ~Clarence Darrow, at the Scopes Monkey Trial, 1925
Politics is supposed to be the second-oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first. ~Ronald Reagan
