RE: Any Nihilists here?
August 24, 2023 at 2:17 pm
(This post was last modified: August 24, 2023 at 2:33 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
That you think the two are related is the first thing that pings my radar. So you've left your religious worldview. So what, leaving those doesn't imply or certify nihilism - though the religious constantly conflate the two states which leads many people into earnestly believing that they're related.
They aren't. Many religious systems are more legitimately nihilist than non or irreligious systems.
No, it doesn't bother me, like I've mentioned, it just puts me in the same position that professional ethicists are in when they talk to the teeming (educated) masses.
In the end, that's what "broke" me. I realized that although I strongly felt as though something must be amiss with realism, there really wasn't. The transition was just a matter of understanding what the other guy was saying and deciding, for myself, whether i could rationally agree or disagree. I still harbor a or irrationalist objections. They've become realist modifiers to moral desert. I also fundamentally identify with dissent - so there's that.
End of the day, when I make a moral pronouncement what I'm trying to do is use the same mechanics you and I both use when we make statements about cats. If it's just straight up fucking nonsense then the cat shit is nonsense too...and we can't communicate. If, otoh, it's not straight up nonsense and we simply disagree because you're not sure something is right then you are misrepresenting both the possibility of our being able to effectively communicate and your error theory as nihilism. If, as I suspect, you're actually an error theorist, then we're both cognitivists. Which is to say we both think something about nihilism is wrong, even if one (or both) of us think nihilism got something about moral theory right.
Namely, that there is no ultimate this or that.
They aren't. Many religious systems are more legitimately nihilist than non or irreligious systems.
Quote:Does it not concern you that you've had this dame conversation multiple times and multiple people have found your unreasonable?Framing. People haven't found me unreasonable, they've insisted that I must be though they cant correctly or consistently identify why. Insomuch as they have - and it's a malleable situation...people go back and forth....Abgrboda (who's logical acumen I deeply respect) has been able to concede, for example, that I'm at least describing something rational - but may not feel that way any given day.
No, it doesn't bother me, like I've mentioned, it just puts me in the same position that professional ethicists are in when they talk to the teeming (educated) masses.
In the end, that's what "broke" me. I realized that although I strongly felt as though something must be amiss with realism, there really wasn't. The transition was just a matter of understanding what the other guy was saying and deciding, for myself, whether i could rationally agree or disagree. I still harbor a or irrationalist objections. They've become realist modifiers to moral desert. I also fundamentally identify with dissent - so there's that.
End of the day, when I make a moral pronouncement what I'm trying to do is use the same mechanics you and I both use when we make statements about cats. If it's just straight up fucking nonsense then the cat shit is nonsense too...and we can't communicate. If, otoh, it's not straight up nonsense and we simply disagree because you're not sure something is right then you are misrepresenting both the possibility of our being able to effectively communicate and your error theory as nihilism. If, as I suspect, you're actually an error theorist, then we're both cognitivists. Which is to say we both think something about nihilism is wrong, even if one (or both) of us think nihilism got something about moral theory right.
Namely, that there is no ultimate this or that.
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