Fine Tuning Principle: Devastating Disproof and Scientific Refutation of Atheism.

[ShinyCrystals]

Yeah, I see what you mean. I guess I should have clarified that I was not including other gods because, as it would seem, I was talking about the kind of God you speak of.  Nothing other than that.

But either way, tell me, how could the universe have happened if God did not exist? Thing is, I am pretty sure that God does not exist. There are many ways for something to happen. I can say that the universe could have formed in a way without the need for a supreme being.

Still, tell me, you weren't directly talking about what I said about the universe not being made for humans, were you?

That said, if a god was to be responsible for the universe, if I read your post correctly, I think the less over reaching gods would not be needed to make things happen that are of their domain. Gods of lightning, love, fire, the sea, etc., those things can be, and most likely have been brought to existence without their respective gods.

So even without talking about the supreme being itself, which still does not exist, what I said, may be applicable to less over reaching gods, if I read your post correctly, if that is what you mean by less over reaching gods (I could be wrong); in their case, there is still more individualization, but we don't have to put the universe itself into the equation, right?

If the god isn’t outside the universe and made the universe, then there is no question of what the universe is made for.    However it is still possible to postulate a god within a universe that wasn’t made for anything acting to made a part of that universe suitable for man.

I see.

Still, I have read many times, as many people say, what is outside the universe is, well, nothing. Sure, a religious person might say God can exist in nothingness, but still, if god is anything, what is nothingness if there is something in it? To me, it is not nothingness. God is something, and that something makes what is said to be outside the universe not perfectly nothing. This is about the supreme deity thing that is out side the universe, by the way.

That said, I don't think God can exist, or could have made the universe, at least not in the image of humans or how humans think it was made. With the number of paradoxes in things like omnipotence and God himself, I don't think a God could exist anyway. God would violate too many laws of physics, to the point that existence for God is impossible.

I just think there is no need for a God, or the Devil, or even Heaven and Hell, as the universe is not based on Good or Evil, nor does it revolve around the human race.