RE: Peak Petrol
September 12, 2023 at 11:27 pm
(This post was last modified: September 12, 2023 at 11:36 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(September 12, 2023 at 9:26 pm)Ravenshire Wrote: So, worst case, the EV is still cleaner over the lifetime of the vehicle.That's a far cry from a blanket statement that internal combustion is 10%-20% cleaner. And, coal only generation is rare, and getting more so, making EVs look even better.
I'm not claiming (and I never have) that EVs are some silver bullet that will magically reverse climate change all on their own, but they're an important arrow in the quiver and it's stupid to perpetuate the petroleum industry's myths about them.
It depends on the assumptions made, but for the most part a new ev should be greener than a new ice and your existing ice is greener than both. If you add in a rebuild for the ev then the ev would probably still break even on coal at worst. Oil companies tell myths about evs, but so do car companies. Between market protection and greenwashing I honestly wouldn't take anyone's carbon accounting for gospel. Creative and convenient assumptions are the norm, not the exception. The higher numbers in that source, for example, came from a study that was much more critical of manufacturers claims, and was revised down multiple times in response to objections from them.
There's a distinct possibility that oil companies can credibly sell whatever myths they do because car companies aren't being completely honest about their products (and vv). Both industries, regardless of their territorial disputes, are running the recycling con on us. We're being told that their pollution is our problem, and that we are going to have to pay for it, and pay for their newer product as well. If you got really deep into carbon you could probably come away with the impression that due to intentionally faulty reporting at every level that the replacement use cases for evs doesn't even amount to as much carbon savings as we'd get from just doing away with the coal plants.
It's pretty much heresy to say this in environmental circles, but, honestly, our cars aren't our problem. Our problem is that it's real damned profitable convincing us it's our cars.
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