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(December 19, 2011 at 4:20 am)tackattack Wrote: And I'd love for any of the 3 of you to point out any arguement I've presented that was illogical, irrational or that I clung to irrational without admitting I was wrong on the entirety of this site.
I'm not one of the last three posters, am I still allowed a go? Because that's really easy.
You believe in the power of prayer because you got a small bonus at work that lifted you out of a minor financial hiccup that was your own fault for getting into in the first place. Despite the fact that you explicitly told us that your boss requested the bonus for you long before you got into that financial difficulty (certainly long before you prayed for assistance), and despite the fact that millions of prayers go unanswered every single day across the world, you actually used this anecdote in direct response to the challenge to provide 'EVIDENCE THAT GOD EXISTS', even though you should well know that one person's anecdotal evidence is flimsy and unverifiable.
What do I win?
Nothing! You lose! Good day sir! <takes off willy wonka hat>
Of vourse you more than willing to chime in, I didn't intend for it to be exclusive.
You're misrepresenting my position though. I believe in the power of prayer because of many serendipitous and direct answers I attribute to God. I beleive God knows what we need before we ask and since he is outside of our time, can directly inlfuence multiple threads of cause and effect prior to our request to make the answer seem instantaneous. I acknowledge the fact that millions of prayers go unanswered every single day across the world. I acknowledge that millions of prayers do get answered every day as well, the only difference between them, IMO, I stated as qualifying criteriea for effective prayer. I used this as one type of evidence that God existed, with the qualifier that the type of evidence didn't matter prior to the discussion, per request. I think this is now well derailed from the OP. Feel free to PM me or start another thread if you wish to continue this.
(December 19, 2011 at 12:10 pm)Cinjin Wrote:
(December 19, 2011 at 4:20 am)tackattack Wrote: And I'd love for any of the 3 of you to point out any arguement I've presented that was illogical, irrational or that I clung to irrational without admitting I was wrong on the entirety of this site.
@Cin- I haven't been schooled in any debate or apologetic arts, either formally or informally, I just read my Bible, lexicon and concordance regularly. Follow that with questioning, reason and research and here I am. I have zero excuses, rebuttals, arguments preplanned and resent the implication and the implications that I were intellectually dishonest enough to hold my ground against sound reasoning. As far as your point I get it the, ill-informed are easy to deconvert and I agree.
Atheists view my deistic belief as foolish at best and idiotic at worst. I feel the same way about all the revealed religions of the world. You see, we all resent things that are told to us by those who believe their viewpoint to be 100% true. Unfortunately, both of us will always feel the other is either arrogant, ignorant, or brainwashed wherever we come into disagreement. I cannot apologize for your resentment of what I believe to be fact any more than you can do the same for me.
That being said, I would still be willing to attempt to deconvert you if you were so inclined to debate me ... I merely said that success would be highly unlikely.
I don't feel you are arrogant, ignorant, or brainwashed. Nor do I resent you for your religious views. I resent the unbased assertion you made about what I believed. Afte I get back from Disney I might just clear my plate enough to take you up on an informal debate.
"There ought to be a term that would designate those who actually follow the teachings of Jesus, since the word 'Christian' has been largely divorced from those teachings, and so polluted by fundamentalists that it has come to connote their polar opposite: intolerance, vindictive hatred, and bigotry." -- Philip Stater, Huffington Post
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