(October 30, 2023 at 11:31 am)Ahriman Wrote:(October 30, 2023 at 11:15 am)FrustratedFool Wrote: 1) A common asexual response would be that they are not heteronormative noe allonormative and are therefore queer in a society dominated by heteronormative views of relationship (which results in their ostracisation and discrimination to various degrees). 'A' has been part of lgbtq+ for some time now based on this idea. What would your counter-response be?
2) I'm not sure what you mean by NBi genders not actually existing given gender is meant here as a social construct, rhus if people declare themselves NBi it exists. Can you clarify?
3) Objectums have attraction/love with non-organics (objects and concepts), fictos with fictional characters. Fictos are often included under the asexual umbrella, as are to a lesser extent objectums.
4) Polyamorous and fethish activists might argue that they are also outside heteronormative society, and face discrimination because of that. What would your response be?
1) Yeah I don't think they belong because they are not "queer" in the same sense as all the others, being asexual isn't queer, it's just not caring about sex
2) Well I mean, there has to be a limit to what people identify as, otherwise the whole concept of "identity" becomes meaningless
3) Actually that sounds like me, I used to fantasize about having relationships with anime and video game girls, then I started becoming unhealthily infatuated with IRL girls
4) They aren't outside heteronormative society, heterosexuals can have multiple partners or fetishes too
1) But I can't see the consistency here. If the criteria is about sexual proclivity, that would eliminate transfolk. If the criteria is being outside heteronormativity that would seem to include asexual folk.
2) The limit would usually be set at (within many progressive queer communities): sincere, with some reasoning, in a way that doesn't contradict objective external reality. All social construct identities, especially gendered ones, would therefore be valid.
3) OK.
4) I think that depends on what is meant by 'normative' as opposed to just 'heteosexual'. Heteronormative often seems to include more, and is a more expansive term, than just heterosexual.