RE: God vs Science
December 21, 2011 at 1:25 pm
(This post was last modified: December 21, 2011 at 1:28 pm by Voltair.)
Jimenez, first off the Einstein and God idea has been responded to before in your previous thread.
Secondly besides the Bible, and other religious books, telling us that there is a supernatural world how do we know there is?
You mention us not being able to see wind. I even heard this idea yesterday which is completely false. You may not see the wind but the wind is easily detectable. If you spray a can of paint on a windy day the wind will move it in a certain direction and the same with any other aerosol based spray. If you want to see a clear representation of the wind just observe a hurricane or a tornado.
The wind is clearly evident to most everyone if not everyone so it is really a bad comparison to make. I would ask you what "sand" or "aerosol" we can spray that would help us see God's movement or existence? I can easily detect the wind, I can feel it, I can find out the direction it is moving in, etc. However there is no such test for God. Simply having someone write something down and claim it is true is not enough to prove anything other than someone wrote it down.
Also you mention that we as human beings are limited to the physical. I would like to ask you what exactly you use to determine the spiritual exists? You use a physical book and your mind which are both things that are limited to this physical universe.
You say that we cannot measure God using the physical but your very understanding of God depends on you using your brain which is a physical object along with the Bible which is a physical object. I am afraid that if we cannot use our human means to understand God than you cannot understand God through scripture because it is a physical object.
Everything that religion uses to understand things is based somehow on the physical. Whether it is through reasoning which happens in the mind and is a physical entity or whether or not it is through a book which is a physical object.
I am not saying I agree with your reasoning but you used reasoning of some form to come to the conclusion you have about God and spirituality. Your reasoning however is based in this physical realm so you do in fact do use the physical to understand the spiritual. You are a physical being and regardless of whether or not a soul exists you are using your mind/brain to make all of these determinations.
Secondly besides the Bible, and other religious books, telling us that there is a supernatural world how do we know there is?
You mention us not being able to see wind. I even heard this idea yesterday which is completely false. You may not see the wind but the wind is easily detectable. If you spray a can of paint on a windy day the wind will move it in a certain direction and the same with any other aerosol based spray. If you want to see a clear representation of the wind just observe a hurricane or a tornado.
The wind is clearly evident to most everyone if not everyone so it is really a bad comparison to make. I would ask you what "sand" or "aerosol" we can spray that would help us see God's movement or existence? I can easily detect the wind, I can feel it, I can find out the direction it is moving in, etc. However there is no such test for God. Simply having someone write something down and claim it is true is not enough to prove anything other than someone wrote it down.
Also you mention that we as human beings are limited to the physical. I would like to ask you what exactly you use to determine the spiritual exists? You use a physical book and your mind which are both things that are limited to this physical universe.
You say that we cannot measure God using the physical but your very understanding of God depends on you using your brain which is a physical object along with the Bible which is a physical object. I am afraid that if we cannot use our human means to understand God than you cannot understand God through scripture because it is a physical object.
Everything that religion uses to understand things is based somehow on the physical. Whether it is through reasoning which happens in the mind and is a physical entity or whether or not it is through a book which is a physical object.
I am not saying I agree with your reasoning but you used reasoning of some form to come to the conclusion you have about God and spirituality. Your reasoning however is based in this physical realm so you do in fact do use the physical to understand the spiritual. You are a physical being and regardless of whether or not a soul exists you are using your mind/brain to make all of these determinations.
