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Education vs. Indoctrination
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RE: Education vs. Indoctrination
(January 19, 2024 at 9:56 am)Leonardo17 Wrote: This is an issue that is very well known by religious dogma oriented people.
 


 
So the main idea is that the brain is a muscle and education is here to make this work in the best possible way and that spiritual quests should happen after that or in a way that is separate from that, if we want that spiritual quest to have any chance of success actually.

One thing we have to be careful about: the word "education" sounds positive, and the word "indoctrination" sounds negative. This makes it very easy to beg the question. Education is when they teach kids the things we approve of, and indoctrination is when they teach kids the things we don't approve of. People who agree with me have been educated, while people who disagree with me have been indoctrinated. 

It seems to me that a (never-ending) process of education requires that we constantly question our own beliefs, to guard against our own indoctrination. We have to be able to understand why reasonable people may reasonably disagree with us. If we just say "they've been indoctrinated, they can't think straight," it is letting ourselves off the hook. 

So for example Nudger assumes that your belief in spiritual realities is the result of indoctrination. But reasonable people may conclude that he has been indoctrinated to reject spiritual realities.

You assume that education will result in a "rational/science based understanding of the universe." But are you sure this assumption is not the result of your own indoctrination? 

In my opinion, education will first be aimed at learning facts and systems. It will also include the tools to analyze these facts and systems, including our own. There are all kinds of dogmatic beliefs that aren't religious, and which are taken unthinkingly to be true by many many people.

I'm not completely sure what you mean by "spiritual realities," but I can see how something along those lines would be an extension of education, rather than a separate thing. To me, spirituality is largely a sense of our infinite interconnectedness with the world, resulting in less pride and less assurance of our own specialness. 

And I think that an education which is ONLY limited to facts and systems lacks a larger goal, which a good education should point toward. If our education doesn't result in us becoming a better person, I don't see any point in memorizing facts, or adhering to particular approved-of world views. If we are not kinder and more compassionate due to education, I don't really see the point. If we don't learn to avoid causing unnecessary pain, then our education has failed. Perhaps those last things are a part of spirituality; I'm not sure.
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Education vs. Indoctrination - by Leonardo17 - January 19, 2024 at 9:56 am
RE: Education vs. Indoctrination - by The Grand Nudger - January 19, 2024 at 12:30 pm
RE: Education vs. Indoctrination - by LadyForCamus - January 19, 2024 at 1:31 pm
RE: Education vs. Indoctrination - by arewethereyet - January 19, 2024 at 1:39 pm
RE: Education vs. Indoctrination - by popeyespappy - January 20, 2024 at 2:11 pm
RE: Education vs. Indoctrination - by Belacqua - January 20, 2024 at 10:11 pm
RE: Education vs. Indoctrination - by Thumpalumpacus - January 19, 2024 at 2:14 pm
RE: Education vs. Indoctrination - by Nay_Sayer - January 19, 2024 at 2:43 pm
RE: Education vs. Indoctrination - by Anomalocaris - January 20, 2024 at 8:46 pm
RE: Education vs. Indoctrination - by Belacqua - January 19, 2024 at 8:52 pm
RE: Education vs. Indoctrination - by arewethereyet - January 19, 2024 at 9:05 pm
RE: Education vs. Indoctrination - by Ahriman - January 19, 2024 at 9:35 pm
RE: Education vs. Indoctrination - by Belacqua - January 19, 2024 at 9:49 pm
RE: Education vs. Indoctrination - by Ahriman - January 20, 2024 at 1:50 pm
RE: Education vs. Indoctrination - by neil - January 19, 2024 at 10:18 pm
RE: Education vs. Indoctrination - by Belacqua - January 19, 2024 at 11:59 pm
RE: Education vs. Indoctrination - by brewer - January 20, 2024 at 11:17 am
RE: Education vs. Indoctrination - by Belacqua - January 20, 2024 at 7:49 pm
RE: Education vs. Indoctrination - by brewer - January 21, 2024 at 12:41 am
RE: Education vs. Indoctrination - by The Grand Nudger - January 19, 2024 at 10:54 pm
RE: Education vs. Indoctrination - by Goosebump - February 12, 2024 at 3:03 am
RE: Education vs. Indoctrination - by Ahriman - January 21, 2024 at 12:45 am
RE: Education vs. Indoctrination - by Belacqua - January 21, 2024 at 2:44 am
RE: Education vs. Indoctrination - by brewer - January 21, 2024 at 9:37 am
RE: Education vs. Indoctrination - by brewer - January 21, 2024 at 10:37 pm
RE: Education vs. Indoctrination - by brewer - January 22, 2024 at 9:45 am
RE: Education vs. Indoctrination - by no one - January 21, 2024 at 1:51 am
RE: Education vs. Indoctrination - by Ahriman - January 21, 2024 at 2:25 am
RE: Education vs. Indoctrination - by Ahriman - January 21, 2024 at 3:10 am
RE: Education vs. Indoctrination - by Belacqua - January 21, 2024 at 4:00 am
RE: Education vs. Indoctrination - by Ahriman - January 21, 2024 at 4:27 am
RE: Education vs. Indoctrination - by Belacqua - January 21, 2024 at 5:46 am
RE: Education vs. Indoctrination - by Ahriman - January 21, 2024 at 5:58 am
RE: Education vs. Indoctrination - by h311inac311 - May 16, 2024 at 10:52 am

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