(March 6, 2024 at 7:58 pm)Belacqua Wrote:(March 6, 2024 at 8:45 am)brewer Wrote: The problem arises with the claim of bible inerrancy and god infallibility. You might not claim that but very many believers do. Can't have your cake and eat it too.
You're right, there are many people who claim that. I have never denied their existence.
What I've been arguing on this thread is that complete literal sola scriptura interpretations of the Bible do not constitute the whole of Christianity. If someone were to argue that since the myths in Genesis are obviously false, therefore the whole of Christianity is worthless, I would argue against that.
There are a lot of different kinds of Christians. They range from the simplest literalist to someone like William Blake, who claimed that Adam and Eve were never real people, but states or conditions through which individuals may pass.
So I'm just against laziness, when used to pass judgment.
But the fact that many Christians are not literalists just opens an entire set of problems on it's own.
There is no instruction manual of which parts of the Bible should be taken literally, and which parts are metaphor, poetry, fable, etc.
And, it seems that many Christians, the non-literalists, have been dragged by modernity, to believe less and less of the Bible should be taken literally, because they know (consciously or unconsciously) how ridiculous most of it actually sounds. While the fact is, they would all have been considered heretics, the further back in the history of Christianity we go. Many of them might have been burned at the stake.
And all the while, this god, is viewing the entire situation, knowing that a very high percentage of his followers are getting it wrong. Are some of them, despite being devout believers, getting it so wrong, that they are as destined for hell as any non-believer? I'm sure there are many Christians that believe so.
Yet, the greatest hide-and-seek player of all time, fails to show up and clarify the situation.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.