(December 23, 2011 at 11:50 pm)aleialoura Wrote: Man, I feel ya on the horrific catholic scandals making the catholic church seem icky, but I grew up catholic, and never met a priest without a sense of humor.
Well, let me elaborate a bit -
There are a lot of things I've come to respect about the catholic faith and the establishment behind it.
For example, I have a lot of respect for any religious organization to basically say, yeah, our holy book isn't perfect. Evolution and big bang are things. I am aware of at least soem number of catholic scientific organizations of some repute and they have a good number of quality colleges.
It's disappointing that they're still fifty to a hundred years behind on certain social issues like women's rights and homosexuality, but they seem to be coming around on those issues as well.
Still, as far as religious organizations go, they're very progressive - even where it disagrees with their own holy book. That takes some balls given how easy it is to be a hard-lined fundementalist that has a everything-or-nothing view of their holy book - be it the Koran or Bible.
I'm a big believer in not letting a few bad apples ruin a group made up mostly of good people. That said, the higher ups need to own up to the child molestation charges and the systemic problem that allowed it to perpetrate. It's reprehensible and disgusting and the people behind it need to suffer. That said, I don't think it should reflect on EVERYONE in that particular faith - particularly the good men of the cloth who never did anything wrong. It's akin to saying that the anti-gay views of the Westboro Baptist Church is representative of all christians.
So given that they resisted official investigations and people got away with things that they shouldn't have, it's come to be very difficult to say nice things about the cahtolic church in general without also sounding like you support or at least don't care about the child molestation. It just puts everyone in a bad position.
So for me at least, it makes thing difficult when I have legitimately good things to say about them just because that black mark is inescapable and I do have legitimately good things to say abou them and many of the people in that faith.
So, ultimately, all i have to say is I wish I could shake the hand of the guy or guys who decided to put up the signs. He sounds like a cool guy to talk to.
Also, I really hope the church finally allows their priests to marry. To be a Catholic priest has to be the most epic blue balls there are. I bet a lot of them would stop drinking so much if they could just get some p****.
If today you can take a thing like evolution and make it a crime to teach in the public schools, tomorrow you can make it a crime to teach it in the private schools and next year you can make it a crime to teach it to the hustings or in the church. At the next session you may ban books and the newspapers...
Ignorance and fanaticism are ever busy and need feeding. Always feeding and gloating for more. Today it is the public school teachers; tomorrow the private. The next day the preachers and the lecturers, the magazines, the books, the newspapers. After a while, Your Honor, it is the setting of man against man and creed against creed until with flying banners and beating drums we are marching backward to the glorious ages of the sixteenth centry when bigots lighted fagots to burn the men who dared to bring any intelligence and enlightenment and culture to the human mind. ~Clarence Darrow, at the Scopes Monkey Trial, 1925
Politics is supposed to be the second-oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first. ~Ronald Reagan
Ignorance and fanaticism are ever busy and need feeding. Always feeding and gloating for more. Today it is the public school teachers; tomorrow the private. The next day the preachers and the lecturers, the magazines, the books, the newspapers. After a while, Your Honor, it is the setting of man against man and creed against creed until with flying banners and beating drums we are marching backward to the glorious ages of the sixteenth centry when bigots lighted fagots to burn the men who dared to bring any intelligence and enlightenment and culture to the human mind. ~Clarence Darrow, at the Scopes Monkey Trial, 1925
Politics is supposed to be the second-oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first. ~Ronald Reagan