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Does the Quran support Theocracy?
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RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy?
1) John 18:36 Amplified Bible (AMP)
Jesus replied, “My kingdom is not of this world [nor does it have its origin in this world]. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would be fighting [hard] to keep Me from being handed over to the Jews; but as it is, My kingdom is not of this world.”
 
The expectation that the jewish people had was that the royal class was going to come back. The savior was going to be someone sent by the jewish god to save Israel.”
 
- Which is why they murdered Jesus instead of trying to understand his teachings. Which is why they are stuck where they are stuck right now Smile
 
Besides, in ancient cultures, there was likely a tight integration between the king and the high priest and at times, they were the same person playing the role of king and mouthpiece of the gods.”
 
I see spirituality as a dynamic phenomenon that has to adapt and be reshaped accordingly with the reality of whatever time were are living in. If you look around you can see that there are things that worked perfectly for the generation before you that are totally passé for the people who are 18 year old or so today.
 
So in that perspective. In 1250 BC (and this is an approximation) Jews were made into a nation of priests and they were “chosen” in some way because their religion was the only monotheistic religion in that time.
 
Than if we go as far as the Bronze Age (old or middle Kingdom Egypt) for instance. A God-King wasn’t that bad. Pharaoh was not a Kim-Yong-Un or anything like that. First: he was not above the law. Second: He was seen as the incarnation of Horus and is duty was to make the rule of Maat (the principle of Justice) rule upon the two lands. And yes, I am ready to give up all forms of “election based system” to have something like that instead. But again, those days are gone.
 
We did discuss that back in the days when I had Cultural Anthropology classes. I think it was Claude Levis Straus who said that each culture has its own way of perceiving the very fabric of reality. So that was then and this is now.


 
So to me what matters in terms of religion is my personal relation with God (basically). And I want politics to work correctly (just like I want the economy to work correctly, or the environment to be clean and the legal system to be just). So I am not “above” earthly issues. But theocracy is not today’s reality. Today we have systems that are more adapted to the current reality. Older legal / political systems are simply obsolete. Just like medical approaches that doctors had 50 years ago that have been abandoned today.
 
There is no spiritual approach that can exclude the usage of reason. The French philosopher René Descartes (who was a deist in the philosophical sense) describes reason as the Signature of God (in a world that was written in a mathematical language) Smile
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Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by Leonardo17 - December 9, 2023 at 3:23 pm
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by Silver - December 9, 2023 at 3:26 pm
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by The Grand Nudger - December 9, 2023 at 5:52 pm
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by Anomalocaris - December 9, 2023 at 5:59 pm
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by Thumpalumpacus - December 10, 2023 at 12:47 am
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - December 10, 2023 at 5:01 am
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by The Grand Nudger - December 10, 2023 at 10:20 am
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by Fake Messiah - December 10, 2023 at 5:54 pm
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by Leonardo17 - December 16, 2023 at 7:44 am
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by The Grand Nudger - December 16, 2023 at 9:38 am
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by Ferrocyanide - March 21, 2024 at 9:47 pm
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by Leonardo17 - March 26, 2024 at 9:06 am
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by Ferrocyanide - March 26, 2024 at 11:25 pm
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by Leonardo17 - March 27, 2024 at 11:05 am
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by Ferrocyanide - March 28, 2024 at 2:17 pm
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by Leonardo17 - March 29, 2024 at 8:51 am
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by Ferrocyanide - March 29, 2024 at 11:10 pm
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by Brian37 - March 26, 2024 at 10:57 am
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by Leonardo17 - April 2, 2024 at 11:05 am
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by Ferrocyanide - April 8, 2024 at 11:01 pm
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by Leonardo17 - April 5, 2024 at 11:33 am
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by Silver - April 9, 2024 at 2:18 pm
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by Leonardo17 - April 11, 2024 at 10:36 am
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by Ferrocyanide - April 19, 2024 at 4:51 pm
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by Leonardo17 - April 13, 2024 at 1:32 pm
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by Silver - April 13, 2024 at 1:41 pm
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by Leonardo17 - April 14, 2024 at 5:42 pm
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by arewethereyet - April 14, 2024 at 6:23 pm
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by Rev. Rye - April 14, 2024 at 9:21 pm
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by arewethereyet - April 14, 2024 at 9:51 pm
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by Leonardo17 - April 16, 2024 at 7:07 am
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by Jamie Boy - April 16, 2024 at 9:17 am
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by arewethereyet - April 16, 2024 at 9:22 am
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by Ferrocyanide - April 19, 2024 at 10:41 pm
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by arewethereyet - April 19, 2024 at 11:00 pm
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by Leonardo17 - April 20, 2024 at 8:18 am
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by Mister Agenda - April 19, 2024 at 1:23 pm
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by Angrboda - April 16, 2024 at 10:27 am
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by arewethereyet - April 16, 2024 at 10:30 am
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by Leonardo17 - April 19, 2024 at 8:43 am
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by Nay_Sayer - April 19, 2024 at 12:42 pm
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by arewethereyet - April 19, 2024 at 12:45 pm
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by Angrboda - April 19, 2024 at 12:51 pm
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by Silver - April 19, 2024 at 12:54 pm
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by Nay_Sayer - April 19, 2024 at 1:56 pm
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by Leonardo17 - April 20, 2024 at 1:55 pm
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by Leonardo17 - April 21, 2024 at 8:59 am
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by arewethereyet - April 21, 2024 at 9:16 am
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by Leonardo17 - April 21, 2024 at 6:46 pm
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by arewethereyet - April 21, 2024 at 8:16 pm
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by Leonardo17 - April 22, 2024 at 2:05 pm
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by Ferrocyanide - April 23, 2024 at 10:57 am
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by Belacqua - April 22, 2024 at 5:15 am
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by Leonardo17 - April 22, 2024 at 2:24 pm
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by Ferrocyanide - April 22, 2024 at 10:26 pm
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by Leonardo17 - April 24, 2024 at 12:05 pm
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by Ferrocyanide - April 25, 2024 at 11:16 am
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by arewethereyet - April 25, 2024 at 1:39 pm
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by Leonardo17 - April 26, 2024 at 5:38 pm
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by Leonardo17 - April 26, 2024 at 4:43 pm
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by Ferrocyanide - April 29, 2024 at 12:33 pm
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by arewethereyet - April 26, 2024 at 5:19 pm
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by Silver - April 29, 2024 at 12:37 pm
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by Angrboda - May 1, 2024 at 4:21 pm
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by brewer - May 1, 2024 at 5:27 pm
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by Leonardo17 - July 7, 2024 at 11:18 am

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