1) Maybe. I can’t say much about meditation since I have not done it. If it actually does something, such as move objects around telepathically or seeing remote location via remote sensing, then it can be demonstrated.
2) I guess some people want to be the next big leader since they want to impress people, they want to feel important.
Also, it is normal that when the master leader dies, it creates a power vacuum and the followers struggle to become the next leader and this often leads to a split in the religion. Some of these organized religions go for a democratic process. The main followers vote. That’s how a pope is elected. Probably, that is how the mormons (LDS) do it as well.
Mormons have 1 big cheese and with him are 2 guys. This hits the magical number of 3.
Below them are 7 guys. This hits the magical number of 7.
Below them are 72 guys. This hits the magical number of 72.
^^^^^I’m answering that in terms of Occam’s Razor. For a smooth shave, please buy Occam’s.
In terms of believing in gods and space aliens, I have no way of knowing if Mohamed or any of his followers are talking to some non human entities.
3) I was talking about the soul. The word soul is defined in different ways. This is something that you are going to run into when you talk to a theist.
For christians, it mostly means “intellect, thought, will, psyche”.
Ecclesiastes 9:10 KING JAMES VERSION
Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do [it] with thy might; for [there is] no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.
^^^^^Mr Ecclesiastes says that because when you are dead, you are deactivated. Your brain is off, so you have no soul.
Matthew 10:28 KING JAMES VERSION
And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
^^^^^Ecclesiastes 9:10 comes into conflict with this because when you are dead, there is no soul.
Matthew 10:28 seems to suggest that the soul can exist without a brain.
I have talked to christians that say that we don’t have a spirit, a gas thing, a blue glowing guy like we see in ghostbusters. We only have a soul and that is possible with the brain.
So, in order to have a resurrection, you would need a body in the after life.
Jewhova’s witnesses seem to believe that kind of thing.
4) The Bible has been interpreted and reinterpreted throughout the ages. Since it is open to many interpretations, your interpretation can’t be wrong.
For me, it looks like Jesus wants salemen. He wants his boys to go from house to house and do a sales pitch and convert people. I’m not interested in having long conversations with such people. I have read the same Bible as they have. Probably all europeans know how to read since the 20 th century. In past centuries, most people did not know how to read and the priest was the only educated person in town. He read the Bible for you at church. At some point in time, there were no printing machines either.
Times change but some are still stuck in the past. A few years back, jewhova witnesses would go door knowing. Christians trying to convert christians. Imagine that. Now, they stand at street corners with their pamphlets.
The other interpretation would be to offer your hospitality to some stranger in town. I have heard that a few cultures did this. These are old customs that don’t work in our modern million people population cities.
Yes, various people have various personality problems. From their POV, their personality is fine and they view others are defective.
The solution is not tails about Lazarus and the nameless rich man.
I think the solution is socialism. Place a high level of tax on the rich and fund universities, have public healthcare, public streets, police, firefighters, etc. All humans consume around the same amount of food for energy, so they don’t need millions of dollars.
There needs to be a few government organizations run by scientists to investigate how companies operate. Make recommendations on how to create closed cycles. Have government create policies to keep costs down, keep the pollution down, don’t ship plastic waste to foreign countries.
There was a nice show call Bullshit from Penn & Teller. I think they did an episode on the tax system and some other things.
Taking care of your body and also educating yourself is a long term process. Such things are discussed often in the media and schools. There is no reason to believe that concept comes from a god.
But the Bible is written the way it is written and I am commenting on it.
If the jewish god despises petrol companies and NRA, good for him. What is he doing to solve the problem?
5) Who is Sadhguru?
I can’t say much about it since I don’t know who these people are and what the back story is.What’s a khalif?
A king?
It is a big world and you can find a believer in anything and everything.
Are you a believer in world peace? Do you believe that there is peace in heaven/space or wherever the gods are?
I don’t think Einstein has said that time is an illusion. He has said that time is something that clocks measure.
Also, time is a real thing. It has been demonstrated that time flows at various speed and experiments match up with the equations in physics. This is an indication that the theory has a good model.
7) Well, since the believers involve themselves in policies of the government, yes, it is about politics.
I will flip the switch from disagree to agree.
The believers of YEC in the USA try to inject their beliefs in biology classes and in the government.
I don’t know Narendra Mody, but for the YEC, their beliefs are their reality.
They don’t want the forces of evil, the devil and his friends the scientists and the atheists to convert their children to satanists. From their POV, I am involved in politics since I effect policy when I want science to be thought in school.
In other words, science is politico-science. Atheism is politico-atheism.
From their POV, evolution theory is not science and must be removed and real science should take its place, which is creationism (or intelligent design).
9) Rome had crumbled for some reason. Constantine wanted to bring it back and he decided that christianity can be used to reunite the various europeans. The problem with christianity was that there was never a singular christian religion. There were various sects that popup when a messiah comes along to save Israel and it gets disbanded. So, main issue was that they had to figure out what Jesus was. He called the big wig priests from various towns to come and work it out. It was the first council of Nicea. The 2 main ideas was that Jesus was the son of god or he was the jewish god in human form. After a month of debating, they could still not agree. Constantine stepped in and said to just choose something, so they decided on both. I think the second council of Nicea was about deciding which holy text to keep and which to burn. There were many in circulation.
Islam did not have these problems since it was not some obscure sect or a bunch of sects. Of course, the text of Mohamed ended up being shorter since he did not have the original Bible. Also, it was apparently just written by his followers and human memory tends to be faulty. Anyway, there weren’t many versions of the holy text with one conflicting with another. They sat down together and tried to make it uniform.
I haven’t combed through the Koran but I assume it doesn’t self contradict.
11) Yes, I have encountered people who try to claim that all religions are basically the same. This notion seems to be something that Hindus and Buddhists have. For the jewish flavor of religions, all other religions are false and are a mockery of the jewish god.
2) I guess some people want to be the next big leader since they want to impress people, they want to feel important.
Also, it is normal that when the master leader dies, it creates a power vacuum and the followers struggle to become the next leader and this often leads to a split in the religion. Some of these organized religions go for a democratic process. The main followers vote. That’s how a pope is elected. Probably, that is how the mormons (LDS) do it as well.
Mormons have 1 big cheese and with him are 2 guys. This hits the magical number of 3.
Below them are 7 guys. This hits the magical number of 7.
Below them are 72 guys. This hits the magical number of 72.
^^^^^I’m answering that in terms of Occam’s Razor. For a smooth shave, please buy Occam’s.
In terms of believing in gods and space aliens, I have no way of knowing if Mohamed or any of his followers are talking to some non human entities.
3) I was talking about the soul. The word soul is defined in different ways. This is something that you are going to run into when you talk to a theist.
For christians, it mostly means “intellect, thought, will, psyche”.
Ecclesiastes 9:10 KING JAMES VERSION
Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do [it] with thy might; for [there is] no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.
^^^^^Mr Ecclesiastes says that because when you are dead, you are deactivated. Your brain is off, so you have no soul.
Matthew 10:28 KING JAMES VERSION
And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
^^^^^Ecclesiastes 9:10 comes into conflict with this because when you are dead, there is no soul.
Matthew 10:28 seems to suggest that the soul can exist without a brain.
I have talked to christians that say that we don’t have a spirit, a gas thing, a blue glowing guy like we see in ghostbusters. We only have a soul and that is possible with the brain.
So, in order to have a resurrection, you would need a body in the after life.
Jewhova’s witnesses seem to believe that kind of thing.
4) The Bible has been interpreted and reinterpreted throughout the ages. Since it is open to many interpretations, your interpretation can’t be wrong.
For me, it looks like Jesus wants salemen. He wants his boys to go from house to house and do a sales pitch and convert people. I’m not interested in having long conversations with such people. I have read the same Bible as they have. Probably all europeans know how to read since the 20 th century. In past centuries, most people did not know how to read and the priest was the only educated person in town. He read the Bible for you at church. At some point in time, there were no printing machines either.
Times change but some are still stuck in the past. A few years back, jewhova witnesses would go door knowing. Christians trying to convert christians. Imagine that. Now, they stand at street corners with their pamphlets.
The other interpretation would be to offer your hospitality to some stranger in town. I have heard that a few cultures did this. These are old customs that don’t work in our modern million people population cities.
(March 29, 2024 at 8:51 am)Leonardo17 Wrote: Now I don’t just hate rich capitalists who destroy the environment etc. I do sort of forgive these people on some level (I see them as Ego-Surrendered persons who actually need to be loved) and I act within my community to help things evolve toward something that is more pluralistic. And I am more decisive and assertive about these things now.
Yes, various people have various personality problems. From their POV, their personality is fine and they view others are defective.
The solution is not tails about Lazarus and the nameless rich man.
I think the solution is socialism. Place a high level of tax on the rich and fund universities, have public healthcare, public streets, police, firefighters, etc. All humans consume around the same amount of food for energy, so they don’t need millions of dollars.
There needs to be a few government organizations run by scientists to investigate how companies operate. Make recommendations on how to create closed cycles. Have government create policies to keep costs down, keep the pollution down, don’t ship plastic waste to foreign countries.
There was a nice show call Bullshit from Penn & Teller. I think they did an episode on the tax system and some other things.
(March 29, 2024 at 8:51 am)Leonardo17 Wrote: - We are not supposed to become couch potatoes for God. That’s not how it works. You seem to be a young man so you have to do your thing and find your way (whatever that is) And the Quran does mention “Those who do good jobs for the benefit of all” and does despise people who get things to brutal strength and power (Like major oil and coal companies and/or the NRA in the US for instance)
Taking care of your body and also educating yourself is a long term process. Such things are discussed often in the media and schools. There is no reason to believe that concept comes from a god.
But the Bible is written the way it is written and I am commenting on it.
If the jewish god despises petrol companies and NRA, good for him. What is he doing to solve the problem?
5) Who is Sadhguru?
(March 29, 2024 at 8:51 am)Leonardo17 Wrote: So that’s why the Clergy was wrong. That’s where The 6th century Muawiyah I and his Son Yazid who murdered the true Khalif (Ali) in 680. They took their “Israel” or their worldly power and domination by murdering spiritual values (the son in law of the prophet who was our true spiritual leader at the time).
I can’t say much about it since I don’t know who these people are and what the back story is.What’s a khalif?
A king?
(March 29, 2024 at 8:51 am)Leonardo17 Wrote: 6) “Think of this: How many people believe that world peace is possible today?
- Very few. The annual US budget on defense in 800 Billion Dollar / year and rising.”
It is a big world and you can find a believer in anything and everything.
Are you a believer in world peace? Do you believe that there is peace in heaven/space or wherever the gods are?
I don’t think Einstein has said that time is an illusion. He has said that time is something that clocks measure.
Also, time is a real thing. It has been demonstrated that time flows at various speed and experiments match up with the equations in physics. This is an indication that the theory has a good model.
7) Well, since the believers involve themselves in policies of the government, yes, it is about politics.
I will flip the switch from disagree to agree.
The believers of YEC in the USA try to inject their beliefs in biology classes and in the government.
(March 29, 2024 at 8:51 am)Leonardo17 Wrote: Do not be misled. Religious zeal and bigotry and the political usade of religion (think of Narendra Mody in India) is a very dangerous thing because it’s like fascism. It creates an army of robots. It creates a completely sick society that is cut-out from reality itself. It’s pure evil.
I don’t know Narendra Mody, but for the YEC, their beliefs are their reality.
They don’t want the forces of evil, the devil and his friends the scientists and the atheists to convert their children to satanists. From their POV, I am involved in politics since I effect policy when I want science to be thought in school.
In other words, science is politico-science. Atheism is politico-atheism.
From their POV, evolution theory is not science and must be removed and real science should take its place, which is creationism (or intelligent design).
9) Rome had crumbled for some reason. Constantine wanted to bring it back and he decided that christianity can be used to reunite the various europeans. The problem with christianity was that there was never a singular christian religion. There were various sects that popup when a messiah comes along to save Israel and it gets disbanded. So, main issue was that they had to figure out what Jesus was. He called the big wig priests from various towns to come and work it out. It was the first council of Nicea. The 2 main ideas was that Jesus was the son of god or he was the jewish god in human form. After a month of debating, they could still not agree. Constantine stepped in and said to just choose something, so they decided on both. I think the second council of Nicea was about deciding which holy text to keep and which to burn. There were many in circulation.
Islam did not have these problems since it was not some obscure sect or a bunch of sects. Of course, the text of Mohamed ended up being shorter since he did not have the original Bible. Also, it was apparently just written by his followers and human memory tends to be faulty. Anyway, there weren’t many versions of the holy text with one conflicting with another. They sat down together and tried to make it uniform.
I haven’t combed through the Koran but I assume it doesn’t self contradict.
11) Yes, I have encountered people who try to claim that all religions are basically the same. This notion seems to be something that Hindus and Buddhists have. For the jewish flavor of religions, all other religions are false and are a mockery of the jewish god.
