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Does the Quran support Theocracy?
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RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy?
(April 22, 2024 at 5:15 am)Belacqua Wrote:
(April 21, 2024 at 6:46 pm)Leonardo17 Wrote: My theory is that something is not working at its full capacity inside of us. And even saying that is one of these “deep” issues of spirituality.

I'm sure you're right that we live in a time when spirituality is extremely difficult. Modern values tend to work against spirituality in every way.

Liberal bourgeois capitalist thinking has really soaked into everything we do. It seems so inevitable to people that they don't realize there are alternatives, or reflexively see anything different as anti-modern and evil. 

One aspect of this is that our individuality is placed front and center. This is of course what everyone here thinks is the very best situation possible -- we can all choose exactly how we want to live and anyone telling us that we ought to live differently is doing something bad. So we all love this freedom. The flip side is that society becomes atomized -- responsibility to others becomes secondary, group identity suffers. In the past, spirituality has meant devoting oneself to a tradition, and giving up individual desires. You need a master or a guru and you obey, or even if you're a hermit in the desert you shed as many of your personal needs as possible. You devote your life to it. It's not a shopping trip, where you pick up a little Buddhism, and a little modern paganism, and cobble together some kind of spiritual-sounding personal story. 

Capitalism runs on desire and fear. If people actually became satisfied with what they had, or gave up desire for the things money can buy, the civilization would collapse. And we live in fear of losing our jobs and our income, of not having enough, of getting old without a secure retirement. Or we fear that in the one life we have we won't do all the things we dream of -- never travel to some cool place or live up to some image we see on TV. This keeps us focused on getting and spending. 

So our society needs us to be anxious and full of wants, and then when we feel sick from anxiety and unfulfilled desires, the atomized society tells us that it's our own personal fault for feeling that way. Everything conspires to make us anxious, but it's your own fault if you feel anxious. Then the answer is to consume more -- buy therapy or therapeutic fixes. Get a prescription to anti-anxiety meds so you become a lifelong customer. And of course the consumer-type spirituality which is on offer now is something a person wants and buys, which is the opposite of what spirituality has always been before. 

Spirituality is about kenosis, and making oneself small and free of ego and personal desires. It is the opposite of everything the liberal bourgeois wants. 

There may be people living authentic spiritual lives today, or even making wonderful spiritual books or works of music. But we can be sure that they are not someone we will hear about in the media.

(What I say here is what I have learned from Phillip Rieff, Christopher Lasch, Mark Fisher, and others.)

Very nice. That sums up what I am saying.


So today, we have these genuine and quite interesting traditions that seem to support the theories of one another instead of contradicting one another and calling for religious wars against one another.
 
This is something you will get after doing the intellectual work. So it’s not a science. But now there are those paths we can decide to explore, without needing a lot of time or resources that do point to the philosophical problems you are talking about and support us in being more than that.
 
Or At least that’s how I feel about it, defining myself as the person of faith that I think I am Smile
 
 
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Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by Leonardo17 - December 9, 2023 at 3:23 pm
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by Silver - December 9, 2023 at 3:26 pm
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by The Grand Nudger - December 9, 2023 at 5:52 pm
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by Anomalocaris - December 9, 2023 at 5:59 pm
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by Thumpalumpacus - December 10, 2023 at 12:47 am
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - December 10, 2023 at 5:01 am
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by The Grand Nudger - December 10, 2023 at 10:20 am
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by Fake Messiah - December 10, 2023 at 5:54 pm
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by Leonardo17 - December 16, 2023 at 7:44 am
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by The Grand Nudger - December 16, 2023 at 9:38 am
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by Ferrocyanide - March 21, 2024 at 9:47 pm
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by Leonardo17 - March 26, 2024 at 9:06 am
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by Ferrocyanide - March 26, 2024 at 11:25 pm
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by Leonardo17 - March 27, 2024 at 11:05 am
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by Ferrocyanide - March 28, 2024 at 2:17 pm
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by Leonardo17 - March 29, 2024 at 8:51 am
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by Ferrocyanide - March 29, 2024 at 11:10 pm
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by Brian37 - March 26, 2024 at 10:57 am
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by Leonardo17 - April 2, 2024 at 11:05 am
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by Ferrocyanide - April 8, 2024 at 11:01 pm
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by Leonardo17 - April 5, 2024 at 11:33 am
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by Silver - April 9, 2024 at 2:18 pm
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by Leonardo17 - April 11, 2024 at 10:36 am
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by Ferrocyanide - April 19, 2024 at 4:51 pm
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by Leonardo17 - April 13, 2024 at 1:32 pm
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by Silver - April 13, 2024 at 1:41 pm
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by Leonardo17 - April 14, 2024 at 5:42 pm
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by arewethereyet - April 14, 2024 at 6:23 pm
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by Rev. Rye - April 14, 2024 at 9:21 pm
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by arewethereyet - April 14, 2024 at 9:51 pm
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by Leonardo17 - April 16, 2024 at 7:07 am
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by Jamie Boy - April 16, 2024 at 9:17 am
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by arewethereyet - April 16, 2024 at 9:22 am
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by Ferrocyanide - April 19, 2024 at 10:41 pm
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by arewethereyet - April 19, 2024 at 11:00 pm
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by Leonardo17 - April 20, 2024 at 8:18 am
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by Mister Agenda - April 19, 2024 at 1:23 pm
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by Angrboda - April 16, 2024 at 10:27 am
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by arewethereyet - April 16, 2024 at 10:30 am
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by Leonardo17 - April 19, 2024 at 8:43 am
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by Nay_Sayer - April 19, 2024 at 12:42 pm
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by arewethereyet - April 19, 2024 at 12:45 pm
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by Angrboda - April 19, 2024 at 12:51 pm
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by Silver - April 19, 2024 at 12:54 pm
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by Nay_Sayer - April 19, 2024 at 1:56 pm
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by Leonardo17 - April 20, 2024 at 1:55 pm
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by Leonardo17 - April 21, 2024 at 8:59 am
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by arewethereyet - April 21, 2024 at 9:16 am
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by Leonardo17 - April 21, 2024 at 6:46 pm
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by arewethereyet - April 21, 2024 at 8:16 pm
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by Leonardo17 - April 22, 2024 at 2:05 pm
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by Ferrocyanide - April 23, 2024 at 10:57 am
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by Belacqua - April 22, 2024 at 5:15 am
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by Leonardo17 - April 22, 2024 at 2:24 pm
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by Ferrocyanide - April 22, 2024 at 10:26 pm
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by Leonardo17 - April 24, 2024 at 12:05 pm
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by Ferrocyanide - April 25, 2024 at 11:16 am
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by arewethereyet - April 25, 2024 at 1:39 pm
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by Leonardo17 - April 26, 2024 at 5:38 pm
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by Leonardo17 - April 26, 2024 at 4:43 pm
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by Ferrocyanide - April 29, 2024 at 12:33 pm
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by arewethereyet - April 26, 2024 at 5:19 pm
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by Silver - April 29, 2024 at 12:37 pm
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by Angrboda - May 1, 2024 at 4:21 pm
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by brewer - May 1, 2024 at 5:27 pm
RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy? - by Leonardo17 - July 7, 2024 at 11:18 am

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