(May 5, 2024 at 11:46 am)Pushingedingeding Wrote: the true view, by which life is understood as that invisible consciousness of life which I bear in myself. One view is false, the other true, but both are logical, and men may have the one or the other, but with neither is the dread of death possible.
People who make this claim, they tend to believe that consciousness exists without a brain.
But what is the evidence that supports this?
If it is true that you can have consciousness without a brain, then why do we have a brain? What are these ~70 billion neurons for?
What do you need atoms for?
Is everything conscious and with the same level of consciousness: the trees, the rocks, an electron?
(May 5, 2024 at 11:46 am)Pushingedingeding Wrote: This view, in its present expression, is as follows: life is an accidental play of forces in matter, as manifested in time and space.
Yes, this is the universe we live in. There is space, there is time, there is energy and there is matter. These things have their own intrinsic properties and they interact with each other in certain ways.
That is something that is observable. It is a chaotic system.
(May 5, 2024 at 11:46 am)Pushingedingeding Wrote: Consciousness is a spark which under certain conditions bursts into fire on the matter. This spark bursts into fire, flames up, goes out, and finally is no more. This spark, that is, consciousness, which is experienced by matter in the course of a definite period of time between two infinities, is nothing. And although consciousness sees itself and all the infinite world and all the play of accidents of this world, and, what is most important, in contradistinction to something not accidental, calls this game accidental, this consciousness is in itself nothing but the product of dead matter, a phantom, which rises and disappears without any residue or meaning. Everything is the product of endlessly changing matter, and what is called life is only a certain condition of dead matter.
I don’t know what all the above is about. You seem to be saying that consciousness is the product of our brain. Once the brain is sufficiently damaged, the consciousness is gone. I agree with that.
I liken it to software, such as Win XP. You need hardware to run an OS such as Win XP. Once the hardware is sufficiently damaged, Win XP can malfunction, some services might crash.
It might be quite easy to bring down Win XP.
For the brain, it can be damaged and since it is a dynamic system, it can self-repair, create new circuits and keep going. I can’t say much about it, since the brain is a mystery to me.
Anyway, you can’t have Win XP without a supporting hardware, without atoms.
You can’t have a painting without atoms.
You can’t have music without a cassette, without atoms.
There is always a need to have a representation of these non physical things: consciousness, Win XP, any software, painting, stories, music, books, movies, languages, letters, numbers.
These things don’t exist on their own. They always need a supporting structure, some representation made of atoms.
(May 5, 2024 at 11:46 am)Pushingedingeding Wrote: The other view of life is as follows: life is only what I am conscious of in myself. Now, I do not cognize my life as that I was or shall be (thus I reflect on life), but as that I am, — never beginning anywhere and never ending anywhere. With the consciousness of my life the concept of time and space is not compatible. My life is manifested in time and space, but that is only its manifestation. Life itself, as cognized by me, is cognized by me outside time and space. Thus, with this view it turns out, on the contrary, that it is not the consciousness of life which is a phantom, but that everything spatial and temporal is phantasmal. Consequently, the temporal and spatial cessation of bodily existence has with this view nothing that is real, and so cannot cut off, nor even impair, my true life.
You seem to believe that your consciousness exists forever. You would need to define for me what exactly conscious means for you.
You seem to say that life is something else: when you are born into this world, you have a life.
Death:
For me, death means the machine breaks down. It is over unless if someone can repair the brain.
You seem to also accept that. Except, you seem to say that consciousness continues to exist. Again, you would need explain what conscious means for you.
For me, if you lose your memories, your ways of thinking, then it is over for you.
(May 5, 2024 at 11:46 am)Pushingedingeding Wrote: Consequently, the temporal and spatial cessation of bodily existence has with this view nothing that is real, and so cannot cut off, nor even impair, my true life..
It is part of human desire and by extension, all animals, to avoid pain, avoid hunger, avoid unpleasant things in life and survive.
We are all survival machines. That’s where our emotions lead us to.
Anyways, looks like your account is disabled. Maybe someone else can pick up your ideas and explain things.