(June 22, 2024 at 1:54 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:(June 22, 2024 at 12:48 am)Ferrocyanide Wrote: Millions of them had trouble accepting that they were just apes.
They still do have a problem accepting that we are in fact apes. That's because in the Western world it strikes directly at the origin story. Gould's no overlapping magisteria means nothings to them, first, because they've never heard of it, and second, because even if they have, as believers they see only one magisteria that is overarching, mostly. There are believers who accept evolution, but they are much quieter than the deniers.
Non-overlapping magisteria? That’s a very fancy set of words. It may have been mentioned in a certain Times magazine article that I have around here. In it, I do remember Stephen Jay Gould arguing for this sort of thing. I think he said that he found young earth creationism as ridiculous but also that religion is important and has value.
I’m sure that he has written a bunch of similar articles.
I guess some scientists don’t want to get into arguments with the majority of the population. Let’s face it. They are outnumbered by A LOT of theists.
In other words, we are suppose to say something like, both judaism and its derived religions are correct: The jewish god made humans, he created the soul and also there have been evolution and a certain ape species branched off 6 million y ago and it branched a few more times and as a result, we came into existence.
What about my VHS? Did Panasonic’s engineers design my VHS and as it was assembled in the factory, the jewish god breathed life into it?
There is no NOMA. The jewish flavor of religions plays a role in the real world. There is apparently the 10 plagues of Egypt and then Moses and his 600,000 left and the Nile river split.
+ all the other wild claims.
This has an effect on archaeology and also history.
You have stuff like the Shroud of Turin. If the catholic church doesn’t allow an analysis of the shroud, it becomes suspicious.
There are many miraculous claims.
Check out
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Padre_Pio
He flies around like superman and gives directions to pilots during WW2.
There is the bleeding hand thing. Some people have looked into it while he was alive and say it is bullshit and a large number of others, experts, doctors, chemists looked into it and claim that it is a magical event.
I’m sure that they were highly biased people.
Maybe these guys should invite James Randi the magician and multiple groups of experts from around the world who are willing to put their reputation on the line. Let’s see if any atheists get converted.
I like that James Randi ruined the reputation of a big wig biologist who was claiming that homeopathy works.
NOMA?
This is from wikipedia:
Quote:Francis Collins criticized what he saw as the limits of NOMA, arguing that science, religion, and other spheres have "partially overlapped" while agreeing with Gould that morals, spirituality and ethics cannot be determined from naturalistic interpretation.[14]
I thought that naturalistic explanations did cover morals, spirituality and ethics and that there is no evidence of anything supernatural.