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The modal ontological argument for God
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RE: The modal ontological argument for God
(August 6, 2024 at 10:10 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: You not accepting a premise doesn't make the next premise a fallacy.  It just means that you don't accept a premise.  In this case, the premises you've decided to reject and consider circular are a bare bones statement of the s5 theory of modal logic.  

I don't think it's accurate to say that any arbitrary definition would work - because it's really just the one thing or quality or attribute or x that the argument works -on-.  Necessity.  You could do away with omnipotence, omniscience, and moral perfection..for example....and it would not impact the argument - though it would certainly disappoint some christians.  Frankly, you could discard those things for an existent god and it would still be a christian problem - not a god problem or a logical problem.

Why is it possible that a God is necessary? My philosophy skills never rose above undergraduate electives.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.
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The modal ontological argument for God - by Disagreeable - August 6, 2024 at 9:16 am
RE: The modal ontological argument for God - by Sheldon - August 6, 2024 at 9:44 am
RE: The modal ontological argument for God - by Sheldon - August 6, 2024 at 10:52 am
RE: The modal ontological argument for God - by Mister Agenda - August 6, 2024 at 4:40 pm
RE: The modal ontological argument for God - by Sheldon - August 6, 2024 at 12:17 pm
RE: The modal ontological argument for God - by Paleophyte - August 6, 2024 at 10:49 pm
RE: The modal ontological argument for God - by Sheldon - August 6, 2024 at 12:25 pm
RE: The modal ontological argument for God - by brewer - August 6, 2024 at 4:45 pm
RE: The modal ontological argument for God - by Nay_Sayer - August 6, 2024 at 5:05 pm
RE: The modal ontological argument for God - by Deesse23 - August 7, 2024 at 1:17 am
RE: The modal ontological argument for God - by Paleophyte - August 10, 2024 at 7:26 pm

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