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Veganism
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RE: Veganism
(August 14, 2024 at 10:46 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:
(August 14, 2024 at 8:28 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: For most of human history people starved on little more than bread.  I think that anyone who wants to change the way we view or eat or produce food ought to be careful invoking a mythical past where people were Just Fine Thanx without all the food options we have today.  Even today, with them, food insecurity is still a huge issue.  Nothing about prehistory, or written history since, suggests that the people living such lives were comfortable with that lot.  

It is weird and cultish, btw, to assume the things casually suggested so far account for why we raise livestock.  We obviously care more than any other species and more than at any other time for our own species and the meat industry tricked precisely no one into enjoying steak.  We haven't gotten there yet but it's pretty much inevitable that someone suggests self righteous suicide for our species as a "solution"...to cruelty.... - which would complete the trifecta of - "everyone else is a monster - the world is run by an evil conspiracy - the solution is this here kool-aid".

The Lakota or the Blackfoot thought nothing of stampeding a couple of hundred bison off a cliff to strip them for roasting, making jerky, tipi shells, coats, bowstrings, water-bottles, sewing needles, warrior decorations, tipi-ties, and more. They also saw themselves living in harmony with nature. Not sure those bison would agree.

They still had folks out gathering plant-foods, weiring fish, and so on, too.

As noted above, even vegans support an industry that kills animals for their own dietary preferences, albeit indirectly, which still undercuts the moral arrogance of some of them.

I'm not sure there's much morality involved in feeding.

There really isn't. You get hungry, you eat food. Couldn't be simpler. How people got it into their heads that there's some kind of "moral" impetus behind eating food is beyond me.
"Imagination, life is your creation"
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Veganism - by Disagreeable - August 10, 2024 at 3:18 pm
RE: Veganism - by The Valkyrie - August 10, 2024 at 3:24 pm
RE: Veganism - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 10, 2024 at 3:47 pm
RE: Veganism - by Disagreeable - August 10, 2024 at 3:48 pm
RE: Veganism - by zebo-the-fat - August 10, 2024 at 3:47 pm
RE: Veganism - by Disagreeable - August 10, 2024 at 3:52 pm
RE: Veganism - by brewer - August 10, 2024 at 4:56 pm
RE: Veganism - by Angrboda - August 10, 2024 at 4:57 pm
RE: Veganism - by no one - August 10, 2024 at 6:15 pm
RE: Veganism - by arewethereyet - August 10, 2024 at 6:56 pm
RE: Veganism - by Paleophyte - August 10, 2024 at 7:19 pm
RE: Veganism - by Jackalope - August 10, 2024 at 8:05 pm
RE: Veganism - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 10, 2024 at 8:13 pm
RE: Veganism - by CuriosityBob - August 10, 2024 at 8:46 pm
RE: Veganism - by Silver - August 10, 2024 at 9:01 pm
RE: Veganism - by Ivan Denisovich - August 11, 2024 at 1:43 am
RE: Veganism - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 11, 2024 at 1:52 am
RE: Veganism - by Ivan Denisovich - August 11, 2024 at 2:09 am
RE: Veganism - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 11, 2024 at 2:24 am
RE: Veganism - by Ivan Denisovich - August 11, 2024 at 2:26 am
RE: Veganism - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 11, 2024 at 2:34 am
RE: Veganism - by Ivan Denisovich - August 11, 2024 at 2:39 am
RE: Veganism - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 11, 2024 at 2:44 am
RE: Veganism - by Ivan Denisovich - August 11, 2024 at 2:48 am
RE: Veganism - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 11, 2024 at 3:05 am
RE: Veganism - by Ivan Denisovich - August 11, 2024 at 3:10 am
RE: Veganism - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 11, 2024 at 3:43 am
RE: Veganism - by Ivan Denisovich - August 11, 2024 at 3:46 am
RE: Veganism - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 11, 2024 at 5:12 am
RE: Veganism - by Ivan Denisovich - August 11, 2024 at 5:17 am
RE: Veganism - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 11, 2024 at 5:20 am
RE: Veganism - by Ivan Denisovich - August 11, 2024 at 5:25 am
RE: Veganism - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 11, 2024 at 5:29 am
RE: Veganism - by Ivan Denisovich - August 11, 2024 at 5:30 am
RE: Veganism - by MR. Macabre 666 - August 11, 2024 at 3:42 pm
RE: Veganism - by brewer - August 11, 2024 at 4:36 pm
RE: Veganism - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 11, 2024 at 4:40 pm
RE: Veganism - by The Grand Nudger - August 11, 2024 at 4:52 pm
RE: Veganism - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 11, 2024 at 5:31 pm
RE: Veganism - by The Grand Nudger - August 11, 2024 at 5:58 pm
RE: Veganism - by AFTT47 - August 12, 2024 at 12:52 am
RE: Veganism - by The Grand Nudger - August 13, 2024 at 4:15 pm
RE: Veganism - by AFTT47 - August 13, 2024 at 7:52 pm
RE: Veganism - by The Grand Nudger - August 13, 2024 at 8:20 pm
RE: Veganism - by arewethereyet - August 13, 2024 at 8:33 pm
RE: Veganism - by Jackalope - August 13, 2024 at 8:54 pm
RE: Veganism - by AFTT47 - August 14, 2024 at 12:49 am
RE: Veganism - by The Grand Nudger - August 14, 2024 at 1:41 am
RE: Veganism - by paulpablo - August 14, 2024 at 2:16 am
RE: Veganism - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 14, 2024 at 5:42 am
RE: Veganism - by Fake Messiah - August 14, 2024 at 6:56 am
RE: Veganism - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 20, 2024 at 12:49 pm
RE: Veganism - by The Grand Nudger - August 14, 2024 at 8:28 pm
RE: Veganism - by Thumpalumpacus - August 14, 2024 at 10:46 pm
RE: Veganism - by Fake Messiah - August 14, 2024 at 11:36 pm
RE: Veganism - by Thumpalumpacus - August 15, 2024 at 12:13 am
RE: Veganism - by arewethereyet - August 15, 2024 at 5:10 am
RE: Veganism - by Ahriman - August 15, 2024 at 4:31 am
RE: Veganism - by arewethereyet - August 14, 2024 at 8:49 pm
RE: Veganism - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 15, 2024 at 5:29 am
RE: Veganism - by The Grand Nudger - August 14, 2024 at 11:58 pm
RE: Veganism - by The Grand Nudger - August 15, 2024 at 1:01 am
RE: Veganism - by h311inac311 - August 20, 2024 at 12:35 pm
RE: Veganism - by The Grand Nudger - August 20, 2024 at 1:34 pm
RE: Veganism - by Sheldon - August 20, 2024 at 4:09 pm
RE: Veganism - by h311inac311 - August 28, 2024 at 10:06 am
RE: Veganism - by Angrboda - August 28, 2024 at 11:08 am
RE: Veganism - by h311inac311 - August 28, 2024 at 11:10 am
RE: Veganism - by h4ym4n - August 29, 2024 at 11:47 am
RE: Veganism - by h4ym4n - August 29, 2024 at 11:44 am
RE: Veganism - by The Grand Nudger - August 29, 2024 at 3:34 pm
RE: Veganism - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 29, 2024 at 3:50 pm
RE: Veganism - by h311inac311 - September 12, 2024 at 7:18 am
RE: Veganism - by The Grand Nudger - August 28, 2024 at 10:22 am
RE: Veganism - by h311inac311 - August 28, 2024 at 11:09 am
RE: Veganism - by The Grand Nudger - August 28, 2024 at 11:22 am
RE: Veganism - by Angrboda - August 28, 2024 at 11:17 am
RE: Veganism - by h311inac311 - August 28, 2024 at 11:38 am
RE: Veganism - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 28, 2024 at 12:31 pm
RE: Veganism - by h4ym4n - August 29, 2024 at 11:53 am
RE: Veganism - by The Grand Nudger - August 28, 2024 at 11:42 am
RE: Veganism - by h311inac311 - August 28, 2024 at 4:51 pm
RE: Veganism - by arewethereyet - August 28, 2024 at 11:42 am
RE: Veganism - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 28, 2024 at 12:30 pm
RE: Veganism - by The Grand Nudger - August 28, 2024 at 4:56 pm
RE: Veganism - by h311inac311 - August 28, 2024 at 7:42 pm
RE: Veganism - by Angrboda - August 28, 2024 at 7:45 pm
RE: Veganism - by The Grand Nudger - August 28, 2024 at 7:47 pm
RE: Veganism - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 29, 2024 at 3:50 am
RE: Veganism - by zebo-the-fat - August 29, 2024 at 6:34 am
RE: Veganism - by The Grand Nudger - August 29, 2024 at 11:00 am
RE: Veganism - by Thumpalumpacus - August 29, 2024 at 7:08 pm
RE: Veganism - by Jackalope - August 29, 2024 at 7:48 pm
RE: Veganism - by Thumpalumpacus - August 29, 2024 at 8:56 pm
RE: Veganism - by Silver - August 29, 2024 at 8:23 pm
RE: Veganism - by Ahriman - September 12, 2024 at 7:29 am
RE: Veganism - by The Grand Nudger - August 29, 2024 at 10:30 pm
RE: Veganism - by Thumpalumpacus - August 30, 2024 at 2:06 am
RE: Veganism - by h311inac311 - September 12, 2024 at 7:05 am
RE: Veganism - by Angrboda - September 12, 2024 at 7:36 am
RE: Veganism - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - September 12, 2024 at 12:27 pm
RE: Veganism - by h4ym4n - September 12, 2024 at 1:57 pm
RE: Veganism - by h311inac311 - September 14, 2024 at 1:08 pm
RE: Veganism - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - September 14, 2024 at 1:22 pm
RE: Veganism - by Angrboda - September 14, 2024 at 2:13 pm
RE: Veganism - by The Grand Nudger - September 14, 2024 at 2:43 pm
RE: Veganism - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - September 14, 2024 at 3:17 pm
RE: Veganism - by h4ym4n - September 17, 2024 at 6:12 am
RE: Veganism - by arewethereyet - September 12, 2024 at 7:31 am
RE: Veganism - by Jackalope - September 14, 2024 at 2:32 pm
RE: Veganism - by MR. Macabre 666 - September 14, 2024 at 3:42 pm
RE: Veganism - by Jackalope - September 14, 2024 at 4:19 pm
RE: Veganism - by brewer - September 14, 2024 at 4:00 pm
RE: Veganism - by Thumpalumpacus - September 14, 2024 at 10:15 pm
RE: Veganism - by MR. Macabre 666 - September 19, 2024 at 3:00 am
RE: Veganism - by Thumpalumpacus - September 19, 2024 at 10:00 am
RE: Veganism - by The Grand Nudger - September 12, 2024 at 11:53 am
RE: Veganism - by The Grand Nudger - September 12, 2024 at 12:48 pm
RE: Veganism - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - September 12, 2024 at 3:54 pm
RE: Veganism - by The Grand Nudger - September 12, 2024 at 4:16 pm
RE: Veganism - by zebo-the-fat - September 14, 2024 at 2:52 pm
RE: Veganism - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - September 17, 2024 at 7:11 am

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