RE: God's will.....who needs it?
July 6, 2009 at 5:29 pm
(This post was last modified: July 6, 2009 at 6:00 pm by Ryft.)
(July 6, 2009 at 11:04 am)dagda Wrote: Nothing comes from nothing—nihil ex nihilo. The Bible and logic suggest God had something to work with in the beginning, but that is just being pedantic.
No, being pedantic is correcting your Latin: ex nihilo, nihil fit.
(July 6, 2009 at 12:37 pm)Purple Rabbit Wrote: Then what about the Casimir-effect which shows that the spontaneaous creation of matter out of nothing is all over the place and can be measured?
No, it does not show the spontaneaous creation of matter out of nothing. "According to present-day understanding of what is called the vacuum state or the quantum vacuum, it is 'by no means a simple empty space'; and again, 'it is a mistake to think of any physical vacuum as some absolutely empty void.' According to quantum mechanics, the vacuum state is not truly empty but instead contains fleeting electromagnetic waves and particles that pop into and out of existence" (Vacuum state). "It is therefore believed that the vacuum energy is 'real' in the same sense that more familiar conceptual objects such as electrons, magnetic fields, etc., are real" (Vacuum energy). Ergo, not ex nihilo.
(July 6, 2009 at 2:15 pm)bozo Wrote: Arcanus, you can call my question whatever you like. I maintain that, on probability, gods do not exist. Worth considering.
That is not a fallacy. However, the question as you had posed it certainly was ("Have you even considered the obvious, which is that God probably doesn't exist?").
Man is a rational animal who always loses his temper when
called upon to act in accordance with the dictates of reason.
(Oscar Wilde)
called upon to act in accordance with the dictates of reason.
(Oscar Wilde)