(September 12, 2024 at 1:57 pm)h4ym4n Wrote:(September 12, 2024 at 7:05 am)h311inac311 Wrote: Adam did not choose to be born, that decision was made for him by his Father who wanted to have a close and intimate relationship with him.
Also, Adam did have a choice of weather or not to eat from the tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil. Why would Adam need to know Evil (also meaning destruction) if God wasn't going to allow anything Evil to ever happen to him?
The serpent is a bit more mysterious, we believe that he is a fallen angel but that isn't something that I can support with a chapter and verse reference. What we do know is that the serpent had one simple objective, ruin God's perfect plan by leading men into sin. What we know for sure about the serpent is this, it knew what God's commandment was and it wanted to see if it could find a way to make God's people choose to dis-obey him.
Who would you guys choose to follow?
Would you have eaten the forbidden fruit?
@h311inac311
Could the serpent do anything yahweh didn’t want it to do?
If so, was yahweh shocked that the serpent evilly trick Eve and totally fucked up yahwehs plan?
How and why would a serpent know and understand HOW to fuck up the creator of everything’s plan?
And finally @h311inac311 , why didn’t jesus show up to save Adam and Eve? Did Yahweh have to rape a human first before jesus can appear as man?
If you can read the story of how Mary got pregnant in the Bible and arrive at the conclusion that God raped her, then that tells me everything I need to know about your Lexile Level.
Not that there's any point in correcting a mocker, since all they will do is mock you for it.
I think the serpent (or Dragon, as Nudger pointed out) had free will and a voice. It wasn't satisfied with peace on Earth so it wanted to see what would happen if it could convince God's people to commit sin.
YHWH did seem surprised, perhaps it is because he chose to turn his back on Adam and Eve to allow them the freedom to choose weather or not to eat of the fruit.
A good leader gives his instructions, makes sure that his subordinates know what they are and then walks away to tend to other matters. It is a show of trust.
To say that they, 'totally fucked up God's plan' is a pretty massive over statement, but if you're this aggressive about getting things wrong then I can't do all of the reading for you.
The Dragon was an Angel who was with God in heaven before descending into the garden, it knew who YHWH was and it knew what his will for man kind was as well. All of this simply boils down to God choosing to allow for every part of his creation to have a choice between obedience and dis-obedience. From the Angels to men and even to some extent animals as well, God gave us a mind to choose. He didn't create us to be robots who are forced to worship him. He didn't put a spell on us so that we would always be under his control.
Therefore, he will hold us accountable for our actions under the sun.
