RE: God's will.....who needs it?
July 6, 2009 at 9:14 pm
(This post was last modified: July 6, 2009 at 9:29 pm by Anto Kennedy.)
(July 6, 2009 at 6:32 pm)Purple Rabbit Wrote:(July 6, 2009 at 5:29 pm)Arcanus Wrote:You mix things up. What you describe as "fleeting electromagnetic waves and particles that pop into and out of existence" IS the phenomenon itself. Please be careful what you quote from who, this is specialized area and there is a lot of quantum flapdoodle around. These particles and waves (in QM there is duality, particle and wave are two sides of a coin, the enumeration really makes no sense) are created at random due to the Heisenberg Uncertainty principle. This is 20th century quantum mechanics. The vacuum can not have exactly zero energy. The only way to get around 'ex nihilo' is to observe that space itself is not the same as nothing. So there, I've given it away for free, because I'm in such a good mood today. But hings do get created from empty space.(July 6, 2009 at 12:37 pm)Purple Rabbit Wrote: Then what about the Casimir-effect which shows that the spontaneaous creation of matter out of nothing is all over the place and can be measured?
No, it does not show the spontaneaous creation of matter out of nothing. "According to present-day understanding of what is called the vacuum state or the quantum vacuum, it is 'by no means a simple empty space'; and again, 'it is a mistake to think of any physical vacuum as some absolutely empty void.' According to quantum mechanics, the vacuum state is not truly empty but instead contains fleeting electromagnetic waves and particles that pop into and out of existence" (Vacuum state). "It is therefore believed that the vacuum energy is 'real' in the same sense that more familiar conceptual objects such as electrons, magnetic fields, etc., are real" (Vacuum energy). Ergo, not ex nihilo.
The inner nothingness, any void in our space-time, is not a true void.
This universe is a "something", surrounded (wat does that even mean outside of space-time?) by a "no thing." What that no thing is, no one knows, the Unnamable One.
But, let's just drop this, it just gets crazier from here.
(July 6, 2009 at 2:15 pm)bozo Wrote: After every disastrous acident, there are those who " thank god " for either themselves or their loved-ones being spared. The implication must be that god chose who not to spare. In the case that started this thread, the plane crash in the Indian Ocean, god chose to spare 1 out of 152. I call that fiendish!
Death is a part of life, and it's only because you believe death is a bad thing that you call God a fiend.
But since we're talking about the God of Resurrection, and the overcoming of death, of rebirth through death, you speak prematurely.
So you say that, 'even if there was a God, I wouldn't worship him (him?), because he is a fiend for letting people die,' while forgetting his raising from the dead-zombie-Jesus-ray, which in most religious traditions, is usually attributed to this God.
And don't forget his orgasmo-love-beam which is offered, freely and without conditions, upon an individuals death.
Quote:The Day and Hour Unknown(Mark 13)
32"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. 33Be on guard! Be alert[f]! You do not know when that time will come. 34It's like a man going away: He leaves his house and puts his servants in charge, each with his assigned task, and tells the one at the door to keep watch.
35"Therefore keep watch because you do not know when the owner of the house will come back—whether in the evening, or at midnight, or when the rooster crows, or at dawn. 36If he comes suddenly, do not let him find you sleeping. 37What I say to you, I say to everyone: 'Watch!' "
