RE: Any universalist's here?
Yesterday at 7:26 pm
(This post was last modified: Yesterday at 7:33 pm by Lord Andreasson.)
(Yesterday at 6:21 pm)Belacqua Wrote:(Yesterday at 11:23 am)Lord Andreasson Wrote: Yh, no longer an eternal damnationIST, but UniversalIST.
It's an interesting issue, and one that's been debated for a long time.
You probably know, David Bentley Hart wrote a book on the topic that got some attention recently. He makes the case for universal salvation.
https://www.amazon.com/That-All-Shall-Sa...292&sr=8-4
May I ask you what changed your mind in favor of universalism?
(Yesterday at 7:09 pm)Belacqua Wrote:(Yesterday at 6:30 pm)Lord Andreasson Wrote: Getting into the hebrew and greek.
Intentional mistranslations of the Bible are all over keeping the people in false fear.
I like how you base your arguments on what scripture says. (At least the part of your argument that you discuss in your video.) Sometimes I see universalists whose argument boils down to "I know what I would do if I were God, and I wouldn't damn anybody." Arguments like that, claiming to know the mind of God, tend not to be persuasive to me.
Several of the Christian writers I admire most reach the same conclusions as you. Lewis Carroll, for example (whom we don't usually think of as a theologian) rejected the idea of eternal damnation because he also read the Greek and thought it had been mistranslated. William Blake was OK with the idea that the lake of fire is everlasting, but was sure that no one would stay there forever. And as you point out, he had scriptural reasons for that.
So do you see hell [Sheol/Gehenna] as a temporary stage that's preliminary to salvation?
Jesus used Greek Mythology, Hades (Hell) and Ouranus (Heaven), to describe consciousness.
Both are personifications of either our Humanity or Divinity.
David said in Psalm 139:8 If i make my bed in sheol (hell) thou are there.
God is in our metaphysical darkness with us.
The real Gospel is the Abrahamic Covenant - "God preached the gospel to Abraham saying, In thy seed shall All Nations be blessed" (Galatians 3:8).
My favorite oracles are Genesis 12:1-3, Psalm 22:27, Acts 3:19-26 and Revelation 21:5.
I ask christians what "All Things" mean in those verses and they choke.
Universalism is coming around more and more, the original Gospel.
The name Hell first showed up as "Helle" in the 725 AD Anglo Saxon version of the Bible.
Crazy the brainwashing going on for centuries.
I like the "Healing of the Nations" oracle in Revelation 22:2, too!
