(September 21, 2024 at 11:33 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: A supreme being that leads us to spiritual enlightenment as if that were a real and definite and singular thing, and as if it were.... we could be lead to it. I see a king and a soul forge. You propose the same thing...and isn't this what you're always telling us, really, when you insist that your revisionist histories of the notion and it's great men show that you have a connection to them and that all other faiths validate whatever principles you hold?
There is no king, there is no soul forge. Whatever you think the contents of enlightenment are, they can only be harmed by this idea. Subjugated to the point that you would shiv religion in it's defense, making a fool of yourself in the process. We will always need religious teachings. They will always be with us. Rightly or wrongly, they're how we learn to live our lives in a manner that conforms to whatever makes us a single moral community. Gods and self help hucksters are free-riders to that good, whatever it is, insomuch as it is, if it is. They have nothing to tell you about any of it.
Meanwhile, back in mere reality, the main issue of 21st century spirituality is more likely to be which group of fucking warlords god handed a property deed to in some magic book.
I am going to insist on the fact that you may be missing the whole point. Spiritual growth does not mean a mind-based understanding of an unproven doctrine based on submission to a man-like and quite tyrannical cosmic boss.
Many people are not spiritual, but they are noticing while many others (who may have taken trips to Katmandu) may not even know anything about the subject. So my ideal is actually crazier than “The Kingdom of Heaven” of the Crusaders or even the Communist Revolution of Karl Marx. I believe in a gradual improvement of our energies and our relationship with this world and with one another.
So I get it. Some people will understand my approach, others will not. But I really believe in this kind of stuff because otherwise there is no way forward for us as a specie.
Do you understand?
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