(December 15, 2024 at 3:51 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote:We seem to have moved from violence being morally "verboten", to it being morally relative, but then that's true of morality generally, as it seems to be both subjective and relative. We are part of nature, and nature "uses" violence as part of evolution. That we have evolved brains capable of self awareness, and thanks to agricultural and industrial revolutions, have the time to examine moral choices, and if we choose, be appalled by that violence, is another matter.(December 15, 2024 at 2:47 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Would it be morally justified to use violence to stop a man who was raping a child? If not, then standing by and letting the rape proceed must be a more moral act, then.
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The word violence is not the word I would use. Yes, it is justified to use force in this scenario. However, at least in the American system, you are not justified in killing him or maming him. I would assume the law allows you to use only enough force to stop the act. (Of course, the jury may be completely fine with you killing him.) So I would consider the unjust act of force to be examples of violence.
This isn't an arbitrary distinction. The word violence, even though it refers to force, still carries a negative sense. No one hears the word violence and infers a neutral or positive use of force. The force used when teams play sports, for example, is not the same as the violence used when teams start physically fighting.
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On Violence - by John 6IX Breezy - December 14, 2024 at 10:39 pm
RE: On Violence - by Rev. Rye - December 14, 2024 at 10:51 pm
RE: On Violence - by John 6IX Breezy - December 14, 2024 at 11:29 pm
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