RE: I will prove to you that God exists
April 6, 2025 at 12:51 pm
(This post was last modified: April 6, 2025 at 1:07 pm by Deesse23.)
(April 6, 2025 at 12:46 pm)Drew_2013 Wrote:You decided to take the bait and skip my "yes or no" question, and go right to the hook and sinker. You really thought i would let that go unnoticed!? How many atheists have you met here on AF yet, who just "hate religion"?(April 6, 2025 at 12:36 pm)Deesse23 Wrote: Did you open a thread on AD stating that (paraphrasing) its "hate for religion" that drives atheists towards naturalism, after them telling you multiple times that this is not the case? Everything that does not start with a "yes" or "no" is an evasion. I bet on evasion.
In case you are able to not-evade, please list evidence in favor of naturalism.
The universe exists...if didn't exist it would falsify the claim.
Nature exists...if it didn't exist it wouldn't be a possible cause of the universe and life.
The universe is very old much of it hostile to life. Much of the universe is chaotic.
Evolution is a plausible explanation for life becoming more complex.
These facts are evidence that make the claim our existence was due to natural causes more probable. That's what evidence is.
I offer many facts that are evidence that make the claim our existence was intentionally caused more probable.
If the universe didnt exist, that would falsify......any claim for the cause of the universe. Thus its evidence for....nothing.

Same for nature.
The age and hostility to life is also no evidence for its cause.
Evolution.....has nothing at all to do with the cause of the universe.
Remember when i told everyone that its impossible for you to even imagine the universe isnt fine tuned? It is indeed. You pretended to imagine evidence for a naturalistic universe but you just couldnt. Its like asking a rock to fly. It cant.
And now, please provide evidence for your position. As was pointed out: Fine tuning is an argument, a bad one. Its only evidence for your incredulity. Finally tell us why you are a theist, although you stated you have so much evidence for a universe without supernatural influence.
Cetero censeo religionem delendam esse