(April 6, 2025 at 12:47 pm)Angrboda Wrote:(April 6, 2025 at 12:37 pm)Drew_2013 Wrote: Sure we can resort to magic. Not sure how that helps the cause. If it was eternal, it wouldn't need to be caused
You've missed the point. I'm pointing out that Goddidit is no more plausible than a self-caused universe, as both require things that are highly counter-intuitive (timeless cause vs causal loop)
Do you agree the existence of the universe was either intentionally caused or unintentionally caused to exist? So either Goddidit or Naturedidit is more plausible than any other theory since one or the other is true. What's counter intuitive about the universe having been intentionally caused to exist? Scientists have caused the virtual universe to exist. Some day they many populate with virtual people who experience reality as we do. Alan Guth believes scientists maybe able to cause a universe to exist. If they can would you concede it was intentionally caused?