(April 6, 2025 at 4:37 pm)Sheldon Wrote:(April 5, 2025 at 2:22 pm)Drew_2013 Wrote: I'm a theist but I'm not 100% sure. How can anyone be certain how a universe that caused intelligent life to exist was caused inadvertently by mindless natural forces? Do we 'know' such forces alone could do that? Do we know they did do that? Where does your certainty come from?Natural phenomena exist as an objective fact, we already know they are possible beyond any reasonable doubt. You are the one adding inexplicable magic, from a deity you can demonstrate no objective evidence is even possible. And you are still, using an argumentum ad ignorantiam fallacy by suggesting there is any truth to the claim the universe required a creator, because we can't offer an alternative explanation. Atheism is not a claim, it is disbelieving a claim, and it therefore has no burden of proof.
You've been reading to much atheist material. If I disbelieve the Holocaust took place, I don't have to defend that claim? If I claim the USA didn't land on the moon I don't have to defend or support that claim? Your atheism leads you to believe total nonsense. If you claimed the Holocaust didn't occur wouldn't you have to offer some alternative explanation for the millions of dead bodies? If you don't want to persuade anyone you're correct then you don't need to offer any evidence.
If anything is magical, its the idea that mindless forces without plan or intent would cause a universe with a myriad of properties, laws of physics that cause intelligent beings to exist.
