(April 6, 2025 at 3:46 pm)GrandizerII Wrote: [quote pid='2228209' dateline='1743962604']
Occam's razor is tied to simplicity, though. It's basically the principle of parsimony, which is simplicity. And people have debates about what sort of "simplicity" is relevant here. The more important point, however, is that a multiverse may be necessary because of something tied to the principle of sufficient reason ... or the principle of plenitude or something else. As such, not a butchering of Occam's razor.
You mean hokum. Multiverse increases entities to infinity and beyond, Occam would turn over in his grave. A corollary to Occam's razor is to offer explanations that are too simple. Like the notion the universe popped into existence, uncaused out of nothing.
Quote:Neither the double slit experiment or cosmic inflation support the idea of a multiverse directly, so your first two sentences here are iffy. Pocket universes aren't reasons but features that are posited or concluded. That said, some scientists do argue for some multiverse or another by appealing to observations made in quantum physics and cosmology, but atheists are allowed to resort to pure reason to argue for what's more likely (just as much as theists like to do). You gave one fair argument for a multiverse in your last sentence here. It seems like if we have multiple planets, multiple solar systems, multiple galaxies, maybe we also have multiple local universes. If you then add other reasons to accept a multiverse, you might come up with something compelling.
Multiverse is a plausible explanation for how we find ourselves in a universe with the exacting characteristics to cause life to exist. However minus direct evidence of other universes, the fact we don't know how this one came about its an hypothesis at best.
Quote:As for "fine-tuning", this is just an assumption, not an observed fact. A multiverse theory need not accept such an assumption, and it certainly doesn't need to explain it.Its not an assumption and it does need an explanation and it is connected to multiverse.
Quote:All worlds, including this world, simply are.
That's really sweet.

Quote:Or the universe has always been. And intention is something only us limited beings require.
Nonsense...name one scientist who thinks that.
That's a very tall drink of water and that's why even non-religious people think our existence was intentionally caused. Including a lot of scientists.
Quote:Name one.
According to the poll, just over half of scientists (51%) believe in some form of deity or higher power; specifically, 33% of scientists say they believe in God, while 18% believe in a universal spirit or higher power.
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