(April 7, 2025 at 9:46 am)Drew_2013 Wrote:Too not to (sic) much, and this is utterly irrelevant to the criticisms of your arguments and claims.(April 6, 2025 at 4:37 pm)Sheldon Wrote: Natural phenomena exist as an objective fact, we already know they are possible beyond any reasonable doubt. You are the one adding inexplicable magic, from a deity you can demonstrate no objective evidence is even possible. And you are still, using an argumentum ad ignorantiam fallacy by suggesting there is any truth to the claim the universe required a creator, because we can't offer an alternative explanation. Atheism is not a claim, it is disbelieving a claim, and it therefore has no burden of proof.
You've been reading to much atheist material.
Quote:If I disbelieve the Holocaust took place, I don't have to defend that claim?So firstly that's not a claim, and secondly I never said it required no defence, whatever this means, I said it carried no burden of proof. This is also a false equivalence fallacy, since we have overwhelming objective evidence that the Holocaust occurred, and none that any deity exists, or is even possible. As you must know, as you keep evading and ignoring my question asking if you can demonstrate any.
Quote:If I claim the USA didn't land on the moon I don't have to defend or support that claim?Straw man fallacy, since I made no such assertion, and of course a false equivalence fallacy, as this is again a claim, and atheism is not.
Quote: Your atheism leads you to believe total nonsense.That's disconcerting, though one wonders how you think you know what I believe, until you ask and I tell you, but then you believe in inexplicable magic, so perhaps this sort of nonsensical assumption is not that surprising. FYI, I could be expressing bat shit crazy ideas, directly derived from my lack of belief in any deity or deities, and it would not in any way evidence any deity.
Quote:If you claimed the Holocaust didn't occur wouldn't you have to offer some alternative explanation for the millions of dead bodies?Yes, but have made no such claim, nor is atheism a claim that no deity exists, I can only suggest you consult a dictionary, and ask atheists what they believe, rather than making absurd assumptions in fruitless attempts to reverse your burden of proof.
Quote:If you don't want to persuade anyone you're correct then you don't need to offer any evidence.Indeed not, but since I have not claimed no deity exists, I can't imagine what you are claiming i am incorrect about? Disbelief is not a claim, atheism is not a claim, so what are you implying I am incorrect about?
Quote:If anything is magical, its the idea that mindless forces without plan or intent would cause a universe with a myriad of properties, laws of physics that cause intelligent beings to exist.Straw man fallacy, since I made no such claim, and since you are asserting a deity created everything with supernatural powers you cannot explain, and that have no explanatory powers, then this is by definition an appeal to magic. Again I can only suggest you look up the definition of the word, and the meaning of an argumentum ad ignorantiam fallacy, and of a false dichotomy fallacy.
One more time, I don't need an alternative to your claim a deity created the universe, in order to withhold belief from it, and it is fallacious and therefore irrational, to argue that your claim might be true, because there is no alternative explanation.
I cannot base belief on subjective assertions, and fallacious arguments. Though of course others may choose to do so if they wish.