RE: I will prove to you that God exists
April 9, 2025 at 10:01 am
(This post was last modified: April 9, 2025 at 10:02 am by Alan V.)
(April 9, 2025 at 9:16 am)Sheldon Wrote:(April 9, 2025 at 7:36 am)Alan V Wrote: "unaccounted-for biofriendly properties in the only universe we know about."Surely this can only be true if the life we know exists, is the only type possible, what I mean to say, is how is Drew ruling out that other forms of life might have been possible even if those "biofriendly properties" were not how the universe had formed? He's just making assumptions to enable him to cling to theistic belief.
The inability to treat all ideas the same, without favour or prejudice, especially new ideas that challenge existing ones, is the definition of open minded. Having realised his Christian deity contained claims that can and have been falsified, instead of accepting what this meant, he is trying to set those facts aside, and create a new deity, that he can bend the facts to. The real question is why?
Despite his accusations, I am not an atheist because I want to be, I am an atheist for the same reason I don't believe in mermaids, unicorns and garden fairies. Exactly the same reason, there is no objective evidence they are possible.
Yes, there is no doubt that Drew has his own agenda. I think he is unnecessarily harsh with naturalists (like most atheists), because he thinks we are ignoring the obvious. But he can see things that way only because he lacks certain other information, including about how scientists and atheists actually think about such questions.
And yes, other kinds of life might have formed in other universes, but not without galaxies, stars, planets, chemistry, and so on -- all of which were covered in the list I typed up.
Hawking was determined to find explanations for the universe we actually see, even if it was only retrospective and historical, like the history of evolution.