(April 10, 2025 at 11:43 am)Drew_2013 Wrote:(April 10, 2025 at 10:41 am)Angrboda Wrote: @Drew_2013
I'm still waiting for you to provide some evidence that the constants and characteristics could have been different than what they are. Do you have any?
I did answer it only apparently to someone else.
Was it in this thread, or another?
(April 10, 2025 at 11:43 am)Drew_2013 Wrote: Its funny you ask me about this because its multiverse scientists who insist the characteristics and properties of other universes are totally different than our universe. After all universes aren't intentionally designed to cause intelligent life to exist right?
From what I've seen, they suggest that it might be a possibility. However, since we have no observations of these other universes if they exist, we have no evidence one way or the other.
(April 10, 2025 at 11:43 am)Drew_2013 Wrote:Quote:If you can't support the key premise that they could be different, then your argument for fine-tuning fails, and the conclusion that your belief that God created the universe is irrational seems warranted.
Its as warranted as ever especially if other universes (assuming others exist) are in the same exceedingly narrow configuration that causes life to exist. Cookie cutter universes look more intentionally designed to cause life than just one universe that stumbled upon the configuration.
Well that's the purpose of the question, to determine whether we can meaningfully say that the value exists within a narrow range of values in which such a universe could exist. If the characteristics cannot be other than what they are, then there is no "range" in which they can very, and thus it is not meaningful to describe that as narrow or wide. This is the key mistake that people who argue fine-tuning make -- implying that the values exist within a range through which they can vary. If they cannot vary, there is no range, and thus no tuning at all, neither fine nor coarse.
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