RE: I will prove to you that God exists
April 10, 2025 at 12:15 pm
(This post was last modified: April 10, 2025 at 1:39 pm by Sheldon.)
Quote:Sheldon: No it really isn't, you have claimed a deity created the universe, can you offer any explanation or objective evidence as to how:So you completely ignore my 3 questions, then expect me to answer a question that I have a) answered several times already, and b) is a clear attempt to straw man me. Fuck me, I even emboldened that fact in the post you quoted man!? WTF?
1. That deity exists is possible?
2. Possesses the supernatural powers required?
3. Those powers work, and are used?
If you can't you are demonstrably appealing to magic. This is your cue to use yet another straw man, to insist I evidence how the universe came to exist from only natural phenomena, despite me explaining each and every time, that I have made no such claim.
Quote:Drew: Are you claiming its impossible for the universe to have been caused intentionally?
Quote:Drew: I ask again, what would be more magical an intelligent being operating outside of the universe to intentionally causing the universe or mindless unknown natural forces,
Ah, so you're not going to explain what "more magical" means? Just rhetoric then, thought so. Natural phenomena are the antithesis of magic, we already know they can be explained, we have done so time and again. Supernatural on the other hand, is actually in the the definition of magic. Look the definition up, and for once have the integrity to admit this at least.
Quote:Drew: We don't dispute that the universe exists. We don't dispute life exists.I never said you did, not once?
Quote:Drew: What we dispute is how those things came into existence. I claim it was intentionally caused you claim it wasn't.I have never made any such claim.
Quote:Drew: So a laptop isn't the result of mindless natural forces causing it to come into existence through happenstance,
Whoever claimed it was?
Quote:Drew: such as what you believe was the cause of the universe, correct?
Nope, how many times do you need this explained? Disbelieving a claim, is not the same as making a contrary claim.
Quote:Drew: You identify a laptop as being an intentionally made contrivance. Even if you didn't know it was intentionally caused and only had the laptop to make such a determination you still wouldn't think it was the result of time and happenstance.
Another straw man, I know it is designed, and manmade, and I already explained this, so please, ease up on the bullshit lies there's a good chap. I duly note yet again, you have failed to address your false equivalence fallacy, laptops do not involve the supernatural, nor do they occur randomly in nature, they are manmade and designed. So you're plagiarising of Paley's watchmaker fallacy is fallacious, and for the same reason his argument was. And stop telling me what I think, there's a good chap.
Quote:Drew: I infer the universe was intentionally caused and designed.
You can infer it was made by mischievous leprechauns for all I care, you have no objective evidence any deity exists or is possible, or anything supernatural.
Quote:Sheldon: Also, it is an objective fact that natural phenomena exist, are causal, and possible, even if we don't understand what they might be, or how they worked in a particular instance. So whilst I can't claim the universe came about naturally, I can say they're more plausible than your claim for a creator deity using supernatural powers, as you're clearly violating Occam's razor by adding an deity, using inexplicable supernatural powers, neither of which you can demonstrate exist, or are even possible.
Quote:Drew: If you want to pull over Occam violators and issue a citation look no further than scientists claiming we live in a multiverse.
Straight to handwaving and irrational whataboutism, you're consistent fair play. You failed to address one single word, try again. Do you need bigger letters?
Quote:Drew: This is the problem with atheism. It doesn't offer a plausible explanation
Argumentum ad ignorantiam fallacy yet again, lets try big letters again then:
Atheism is not a claim, nor does it make any claims, it no more has to explain anything, than not believing in fucking mermaids does. You are making a claim, you have to support it, and you cannot. No one has to offer an alternative.