I will prove to you that God exists

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I'm not sure but I also fouled up the name of the person I responded too...I have 26 responses I try to get to them.





Exactly. So whether other universes are the same or different is a moot point.

They would still be in just as narrow a range as ever only now you're saying for some reason, they had to be in that narrow range. I believe it was designed to be in that narrow range and if other universes are the same that just more evidence it was intentionally caused. I'm pointing out this is a bad argument.

Well now I think you're just arguing semantics. Yes, in some sense they would still exist in a narrow range but their having the value that they do would no longer be something that required an explanation such as design by a god. If you don't know that they can vary, then you have no fact needing explanation, by gods or otherwise, it would just be a brute fact. Your argument for design requires that they can be something other than what they are, otherwise your entire argument from design is unsupported.

I have reviewed this thread and find no place where you clearly provided such evidence. I can only find three potential sources for a claim that you had done so in this thread which are your remarks concerning Victor Stenger's book, your noting that the cosmological constant was predicted to be much greater than it is, and your claim that eminent scientists believe in the multiverse hypothesis due to a lack of persuasiveness of other natural explanations combined with the assumption of fine tuning. In the latter case, the evidence would be what it was that convinced the scientists that the universe is fine tuned, including evidence that the characteristics could be other than what they are; in that they serve as proxy for the evidence itself and if those scientists do not have support for the possibility of variation, then their speculations are unsupported, regardless of what did or did not persuade them. I haven't seen you present any actual citations of scientists giving their reasons for subscribing to the multiverse hypothesis, so that isn't well supported either; so far we have only your say so in the matter.

If you provided such evidence elsewhere then you'll need to tell me where that was. Otherwise I would ask you to summarize, repost, or copy and paste the evidence you believe you provided.