I will prove to you that God exists

[Angrboda]

Angrboda

They would still be in just as narrow a range as ever only now you're saying for some reason, they had to be in that narrow range. I believe it was designed to be in that narrow range and if other universes are the same that just more evidence it was intentionally caused. I'm pointing out this is a bad argument.

Because you're invoking some other unknown law of physics that causes any universe that comes into existence to be the same as this one. You've offered no explanation or evidence a law causes all universes to be like this one. If our universe had to come out as it did, that is antithetical to the very notion the universe wasn't planned or intended to come out as it did...it just happen to serendipitously turned out as it did. 

Do you actually believe there was some transcendent force external to the universe that caused this universe to be in an extremely narrow configuration to allow life? A cookie cutter mold right? I suspect not, this whole objection is a red herring.

I'm not invoking any specific explanation. I'm pointing out that we simply don't know one way or another whether the characteristics could be other than what they are. Since any argument that a creator had to tune such things requires that they needed to be tuned, no such argument can get off the ground without some evidence that they would have needed tuning. It is a key premise of the argument from fine tuning that they could be or had to be tuned. If there's no evidence for this, then it isn't a sound argument for God. Since it has a material impact on the argument and issues in question, it is not a red herring. Though I will welcome any explanation from you as to why you think it is.
 

A mother board is intentionally made to perform in a very narrow tolerance in order to work as intended. A resistor out of tolerance, a break in a solder point will cause it to malfunction. A motherboard in a computer is fine-tuned to perform computations and to display them. Once its determined the board works as expected, its put into mass production to pop out identical boards. Does that make them any less fine-tuned to perform calculations? No. Do they intentionally create motherboards to be fine tuned? Yes. If some how we found another universe and discovered it was identical to this one wouldn't that make the claim it was intentionally caused to exist stronger? 

We know and have evidence that the characteristics of motherboards can and do vary. If they didn't, we wouldn't be able to make motherboards. So motherboards aren't analogous. If we found another universe like ours we simply wouldn't know one way or another just as now. At present, we simply don't know whether the constants and characteristics do or do not have an explanation, only that if they indeed have any explanation, we are ignorant of it. But our ignorance of something doesn't imply much of anything.

I have reviewed this thread and find no place where you clearly provided such evidence.  I can only find three potential sources for a claim that you had done so in this thread which are your remarks concerning Victor Stenger's book, your noting that the cosmological constant was predicted to be much greater than it is, and your claim that eminent scientists believe in the multiverse hypothesis due to a lack of persuasiveness of other natural explanations combined with the assumption of fine tuning.  In the latter case, the evidence would be what it was that convinced the scientists that the universe is fine tuned, including evidence that the characteristics could be other than what they are; in that they serve as proxy for the evidence itself and if those scientists do not have support for the possibility of variation, then their speculations are unsupported, regardless of what did or did not persuade them.  I haven't seen you present any actual citations of scientists giving their reasons for subscribing to the multiverse hypothesis, so that isn't well supported either;  so far we have only your say so in the matter.

I haven't seen you present evidence of a force or power external to the universe that caused it to be fine-tuned for life. If you have such evidence of a force external to the universe that forced it to be as it is, you added more evidence of  the existence of a Creator.

I have presented no such evidence. Why do you think the force or power which caused the universe to have the characteristics it did is external, or need be external?

---

Let me present you with an analogy. Let's say that I come home one day to find a horse in my apartment. I don't see how it could have come through the door. Can I conclude that it got there by magic? Why or why not?