(April 11, 2025 at 3:35 pm)Sheldon Wrote:(April 11, 2025 at 2:35 pm)Drew_2013 Wrote: What's yours?That depends on the evidence, and lest we forget you have only present subjective claims, and arguments that are demonstrably irrational, and therefore weak. I don't say this to provoke your ire, I and others have highlighted the many fallacious arguments, and you have chosen to hand wave those objections away.
About the highest level of certainty we can have is a scientifically established claims that pass the rigors of critique and repeatable experiments that confirm the hypothesis. Unfortunately not all theories can be so tested.
The second level is evidence beyond a reasonable doubt. It doesn't mean all doubt is erased but reasonable doubt is.
The third level is a simple preponderance of evidence. In the mind of the beholder there is more evidence in favor of one claim than against it. Or there is more evidence that disfavors the claim than for it.
Evidence are facts that make a claim more or less probable.
I have heard apologists claim that the deity they imagine to be real, transcends logic. I think the irnoy of the claim, as well as the truth of it, is lost on them.
Quote:That depends on the evidence, and lest we forget you have only present subjective claims, and arguments that are demonstrably irrational, and therefore weak. I don't say this to provoke your ire, I and others have highlighted the many fallacious arguments, and you have chosen to hand wave those objections away.
My arguments aren't fallacious because people can look one up and claim its so.
1. The fact the universe exists
2. The fact life exists
3. The fact intelligent life exists.
4. The fact the universe has laws of physics, is knowable, uniform and to a large extent predictable, amenable to scientific research and the laws of logic deduction and induction and is also explicable in mathematical terms.
5. The fact that in order for intelligent humans to exist requires a myriad of exacting conditions including causing the ingredients for life to exist from scratch.
Those are objective facts.
Why does the idea our existence was intentionally caused give you such heartburn? Its not because there is an overwhelming preponderance of evidence in favor of natural unintended causes. In the market place of ideas only 5% subscribe to your belief. That's pretty piss poor for a belief you think is obviously supported by evidence. As I recall you admitted no one knows how the universe came into existence.