Quote:@Sheldon Now Drew, do behave, all anyone need do is read this thread to know your arguments have been relentlessly irrational, do you really still imagine you can bluff your way past this? You have used more logical fallacies in this very post...
Bullshit. Because you say so?
1. The fact the universe exists
2. The fact life exists
3. The fact intelligent life exists.
4. The fact the universe has laws of physics, is knowable, uniform and to a large extent predictable, amenable to scientific research and the laws of logic deduction and induction and is also explicable in mathematical terms.
5. The fact that in order for intelligent humans to exist requires a myriad of exacting conditions including causing the ingredients for life to exist from scratch.
Those are objective facts.
Quote:The first 4 are, and not one of them represents objective evidence for any deity.
Its objective inferential evidence the universe was intentionally caused to exist.
Yes it is. Theists claim the universe was intentionally caused to exist. A universe exists, if it didn't exist the the claim it was intentionally caused would be falsified. Naturalists claim the universe was the result of natural forces. The existence of the universe makes their claim more probable than if it didn't exist.
Theists claim the universe was created to cause life to exist. Life didn't have to exist but life exists thus making the claim more probable than if it didn't exist.
Theists claim intelligent life was caused to exist and it does. It didn't have to exist and if it didn't the claim would be falsified.
Number 4 is true and is indicative of a universe that was intentionally caused to exist. Scientists have extracted numerous formulas and equations from the universe you claim was caused by non-god forces. Scientists have been successful in reverse engineering the universe.
5. The fact that in order for intelligent humans to exist requires a myriad of exacting conditions including causing the ingredients for life to exist from scratch.
You deny a myriad of conditions had to occur for there to be a congenial planet like earth to exist? Did nature have to have gravity? Did it have to be in a range that allows the universe to expand, for stars to exist, for planets to exist. Did there have to be laws of physics that turn helium and hydrogen to turn into the ingredients necessary for life to exist? Did dark matter have to exist? Notice how these conditions and properties are absolutely necessary for our existence but natural forces that didn't intend or want our existence have no requirements for any of these conditions to exist. Natural forces don't care if oxygen exists, don't care if planets exist, don't care if water exists. They don't care if life exists.
Quote:The last one is a subjective belief you hold, and as has been explained, we don't know that any other kind of universe is possible, or if very different types of intelligent life might be possible if it were.
If this universe had to come out as it did that suggests it was designed to come out as it did. But you don't believe that bullshit that it had to come out as it did so that's a BS objection.
Quote:Again you seem to think ignoring rational objections, and endless repetition achieves something, what or why that is, is not clear.
I respond to as many posts as I can. Right now I have 32 waiting...I only ignore the stupid ones to save time.
