(April 11, 2025 at 4:29 pm)Drew_2013 Wrote:(April 11, 2025 at 3:35 pm)Sheldon Wrote: That depends on the evidence, and lest we forget you have only present subjective claims, and arguments that are demonstrably irrational, and therefore weak. I don't say this to provoke your ire, I and others have highlighted the many fallacious arguments, and you have chosen to hand wave those objections away.
I have heard apologists claim that the deity they imagine to be real, transcends logic. I think the irnoy of the claim, as well as the truth of it, is lost on them.
Quote:That depends on the evidence, and lest we forget you have only present subjective claims, and arguments that are demonstrably irrational, and therefore weak. I don't say this to provoke your ire, I and others have highlighted the many fallacious arguments, and you have chosen to hand wave those objections away.
My arguments aren't fallacious because people can look one up and claim its so.
1. The fact the universe exists
2. The fact life exists
3. The fact intelligent life exists.
4. The fact the universe has laws of physics, is knowable, uniform and to a large extent predictable, amenable to scientific research and the laws of logic deduction and induction and is also explicable in mathematical terms.
5. The fact that in order for intelligent humans to exist requires a myriad of exacting conditions including causing the ingredients for life to exist from scratch.
Those are objective facts.
1. Bricks are red
2. Apples are red.
3. Apples are sweet and delicious.
Those are objective facts. I've concluded that bricks are sweet and delicious.