(April 11, 2025 at 9:23 pm)Angrboda Wrote:(April 11, 2025 at 8:25 pm)Drew_2013 Wrote: @Angrboda
Which makes it a moot point and the hill you choose to die on. Nor do we need to know if they could be different to ascertain the universe is fine-tuned for life.
Quote:If there is no evidence they could be different than what they are then you have no basis for making an inference of design, and thus you have no evidence for the existence of God. Design implies that the specific characteristics were chosen -- if there was no choice as to what these characteristics are, then there is no design involved and no reason to make that inference. Far from a moot point, showing that you cannot provide any evidence for design is central to whether your argument from design counts as evidence. Since you have no evidence that the values are the result of choice, you have no evidence of design.
For the last time since you're obviously in broken record mode. If the universe had to be as it is, why would it happen to be in a extremely narrow configuration to allow life to exist? One reason if the universe had to be as it is to cause life, is because it was intentionally designed that way. Its false to say if there was no choice in how the universe came out then it wasn't designed. Does the fact engineers cause motherboards to come out the same some how prove it wasn't by design?
You don't need to respond with the same tiresome recording I responded for the sake of anyone else reading.