RE: I will prove to you that God exists
April 12, 2025 at 2:16 pm
(This post was last modified: April 12, 2025 at 2:22 pm by Angrboda.)
@Drew_2013
You claimed that scientists, such as Sean Carroll, have discounted my suggestion of necessity. At least in Carroll's case, what you said was a lie.
How many other scientists have you misrepresented?
"The third point is that the fine-tunings that you think are there might go away once you understand the universe better. They might only be apparent. There's a famous example that theists like to give or even cosmologists who haven't thought about it enough, that the expansion rate of the early universe is tuned to one part in ten to the sixtieth. That's the naive estimate, back of the envelope, pencil-and-paper that you would do. But in this case you can do better. You can go into the equations of general relativity and there is a correct, rigorous derivation of the probability and when you ask the same question using the correct equations, you find that the probability is 1. All but a set of measure zero of early universe cosmologies have the right expansion rate to live for a long time and allow life to exist. I can't say that all parameters fit into that paradigm, but until we know the answer, we can't claim that they are definitely finely-tuned."
- Sean Carroll
You claimed that scientists, such as Sean Carroll, have discounted my suggestion of necessity. At least in Carroll's case, what you said was a lie.
How many other scientists have you misrepresented?
"The third point is that the fine-tunings that you think are there might go away once you understand the universe better. They might only be apparent. There's a famous example that theists like to give or even cosmologists who haven't thought about it enough, that the expansion rate of the early universe is tuned to one part in ten to the sixtieth. That's the naive estimate, back of the envelope, pencil-and-paper that you would do. But in this case you can do better. You can go into the equations of general relativity and there is a correct, rigorous derivation of the probability and when you ask the same question using the correct equations, you find that the probability is 1. All but a set of measure zero of early universe cosmologies have the right expansion rate to live for a long time and allow life to exist. I can't say that all parameters fit into that paradigm, but until we know the answer, we can't claim that they are definitely finely-tuned."
- Sean Carroll
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