RE: I will prove to you that God exists
April 13, 2025 at 8:15 am
(This post was last modified: April 13, 2025 at 8:17 am by Alan V.)
(April 13, 2025 at 7:05 am)Paleophyte Wrote:(April 13, 2025 at 5:57 am)Alan V Wrote: As far as I am concerned, Drew's own thesis collapsed early in this discussion. He just won't admit it.
It's pretty fatally flawed. He keeps chanting about "incredibly low probability" and "narrow range". That'd be true if he was trying to get humans by chucking darts at a board at random. We don't know what range of values is possible, if any, we don't know how likely our values are, we don't know if they're random or independent, and we don't know what happens when our numbers don't come up. Lacking that you can't do a useful evaluation of the probability space and his entire argument boils down to one of incredulity and ignorance.
It is certainly an argument from ignorance if Drew is uninformed about the possible alternatives.
His argument seems to me to be that anthropic multiverse cosmology is a reductio ad absurdum of materialist thinking, that a logical extrapolation from inflation and string theories leads to nonsense. But that argument can't be true if there are other logical alternatives, even if you grant that the multiverse doesn't make sense to begin with -- a big "if."
As Boru said, Drew keeps jumping to unwarranted conclusions. He can't seem to hold the unknown in his mental grasp. I suppose that is true of a fair number of theists. They want to know. They think it is important to know. So they jump at some "answer" or other. Perhaps the alternatives involve too much work, and they are just intellectually lazy. It's hard to say.