A Wild Elles Appeared!

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And we've explained to you why you are talking complete bullshit. You said:

No one can 'know' so it doesn't work.

but this contradicts what you later said:

You are all gnostic atheists and I'm a gnostic theist. We have conclusively established existence or non existence.

If no one can know, then we are agnostic. If we can know, we are gnostic. That no-one can know is your opinion, and thus exposes you as an agnostic. It isn't about whether we can know or not (just as belief in god doesn't take into account whether it actually exists or not), it's about whether we think it can be known. People who claim to have knowledge of God may just be delusional, but if they argue that they know, they are gnostic.

None of us here have conclusively established non-existence. That would be proving a negative for me, something I don't think can be done. I'm fully aware my beliefs may be wrong, and that God may in fact exist.

Slow down cowboy! No one explained to me why they think I'm talking total bullshit. For a start - this is Arcanus's point, and not mine. I considered it and agreed he was right... therefore: Of course you can find opposing statements of mine!

Like a few others have pointed out to you, your choice of the word 'certain' is too innacurate. The scale Dawkins uses is illogical because it contains first and last logical fallacies. Christians, like Arcanus has suggested, can be gnostic yet consistently do not claim empirical proof. This contradicts your statement. Arcanus's suggestion is perfectly right. Both Atheists and Theists have conclusively established (go read Arcanus's explanation of the logic linked above) the non existence and existence of God. No need for a jelly livered agnostic stance. You are an gnostic atheist.