(June 23, 2025 at 6:48 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: There are all sorts of reasons an operation as simple as crossing a creek might fail - but we probably do want to leave room for the possibility that recent nation building exercises have failed because the nation builders did not actually want them to succeed. The ruling classes of our own purported democracies have more in common both ideologically and financially with the dictators and oligarchs of nothereistan than either do with their own nations citizens. This may also explain why we'd rather spend 200 million not building a democracy than that same 200 million building houses for homeless vets.
If you want to bring in humanitarian aid, bulk out infrastructure, build schools and hospitals, and provide physical security for some group of people ....after toppling an authoritarian regime..... it's going to take boots. Lots of boots. Professional soldiers, well trained, all-volunteer, and with a strong culture of accountability. This will likely never not be the case, no matter how complex our murderbots become - because nation building, from intimate one on one encounters to full programs, requires a distinctly and overtly human touch.
As for civilians with guns - that's how you get blackwaters. Nobody needs those assholes in their life.
First Part: This is absolutely true. That’s a phenomenon that is well known even in spiritual literature. Evil does exist + there are these power-centers of evil in this world. This is basically a phenomenon that is still common in this spiritual era of humanity (I can elaborate on that if you want to).
Still: When you have the rule of law, like the ancient Egyptian had, even the pharaoh was subordinate to the rule of Maat. Then there is fewer chance of these ego-centric / self-involved personalities to do whatever they want. But it is still a constant struggle. My knowledge of the history of the US is limited but think of Kennedy, Martin Luther King and Malcom-X… even in advanced democracies, people who are willing to kill in order to get things the way they want can be successful at some level.
So no country in this world is perfect (not in this era as I said). But having an ideology (communism, fascism or political Islam) in which a small group of people are claiming to have all the answers and are socially engineering you everyday day of your life (Because they have the answers and you don’t), that’s something else. I think people should be aware of this fact

Second Part: I’m only saying that boots did not solve anything in the middle-east and I am not going to support a larger military intervention in Iran after what happened in Afghanistan. All these soldiers have a right to live as much as we do if you know what I mean

I also believe in a regime change. But nobody attacked the Soviet Union. When I was 8 year old my parents were telling me it was the world’s N-1 superpower. In November 1991 I saw Germans live on CNN who had climbed on the concrete structure and were taring it apart with whatever tools they had.
So Iranians do not need Israel to come and liberate them. Nobody really knows what the state of Israel is and is not so I would not be fighting the Basiji to death with the words of the Israeli PM on my head

But at least half of the Iranians hate this regime deeply. There is also the Iranian diaspora and the son of their previous monarchs who is ready to support them in anyway that is necessary. So I’m not going to do their homework for them but that’s already a lot of stuff that political scientists can work on.
Besides there is 1500 km between the two countries, Israel cannot launch a military invasion of Iran even if it wanted to

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