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“Normative” ethical theories
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RE: “Normative” ethical theories
(September 7, 2025 at 9:23 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Briefly going over our last convo to recall what you might mean by your anti realist commitments I'd say you're going to find good books thin on the ground.  Off the top of my head, I'd say you're looking for quasi realist stuff.  Normative force, with air quotes.  Simon Blackburn on expressivism?  

Here's an interview, mostly on metaethics, but at the very end (it's time stamped in the description) the interviewer asks how we live a good life if or when we believe there are no moral facts.  First order ethics.  In the process of answering he makes some good critical observations about realism-in-practice and despite my (seeming) metaethical disagreement with the moral system he's describing I find no fault with his practical reasoning and what he considers the "normative force"...and it's limitations.  Descriptively speaking, I'm absolutely certain that some of my moral statements and just as certainly not all of my moral statements are very likely to be contained in or best described as expressivist quasi realism.  Ultimately, his idea of how to live a good life boils down to biological and cultural intersubjectivity and the historical role of moral thought vis-a-vis outcomes in our lives.  A variation on benevolent pragmatism.  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUabDoNx3iY
Thanks, hopefully I am less argumentative with you this thread 😂 (that comment is aimed at me not you). Will check that video later, thanks for the pointer. 
I guess I am looking for a system that I can say “ok, here is a sensible approach to conduct in a world where there are no objective morals”. Not something I am going to particularly follow per se, just something consistent and just trying to see the range of options

Incidentally, i recently read Morris’s book Moral Damages and am sympathetic to antiretributivist approaches
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“Normative” ethical theories - by Lucian - September 7, 2025 at 6:03 am
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