Veganism

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Ah yes, what does it ultimately mean to be moral? Does it mean just obeying rules (of morality), or does it mean something else?

Indeed.

Morals are rules that we obey to better get along with other people and nature. Now, sometimes people discover that if they change some rules, they get better with other people and nature.

That sounds to me like you are saying that morality is basically prosociality? It also sounds a lot like social contract theory would support this definition.

I think you are mixing/confusing morals with laws. Morals are not laws, so if you break a moral code usually doesn't mean that you'll face some particularly harsh punishment like prison or a fine, but just that you will let down some close people. But if many people stop caring about morals, the whole society will probably crumble, which can be a good thing if morals were bad.

Nah I'm only talking about moral permissibility, not legal permissibility. I'm asking if when slavery is morally permitted is that interchangeable with it being morally permissible?

Or consider that after the WW2, allies judged Germans for things that were moral and legal in Germany during Hitler but not in the United States and UK. So, did they have a right to judge them by their moral standards?

Good question! So the question is regardless of the laws, was it permissible or impermissible morally for the Germans to do what they did?