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Veganism
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RE: Veganism
(March 13, 2026 at 10:12 pm)Disagreeable Wrote:
(March 13, 2026 at 9:18 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: That isn't what I was saying. You're trying to establish the existence of a middle ground that can't exist.

Weirdly, it seems to me that you are the one offering a middle ground because you seem to be talking about something that is neither descriptive nor normative, or neither fully objective nor fully subjective, whereas I'm asking which is it, or if it's both then in which sense is it each.

I'll stop pressing you though as I don't think that I'm going to understand what you're saying. I can't comprehend what it means for something to be neither normative nor descriptive.

I can't be held responsible for your seemings. The "fact" describes our understanding of how the world is. The word "normative" describes our opinion of how the world ought to be. "Normative facts" are much like dry water, a lovely abuse of language and thinking.
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Veganism - by Disagreeable - March 13, 2026 at 1:04 pm
RE: Veganism - by Mister Agenda - March 13, 2026 at 1:10 pm
RE: Veganism - by Disagreeable - March 13, 2026 at 1:32 pm
RE: Veganism - by Angrboda - March 13, 2026 at 1:40 pm
RE: Veganism - by Disagreeable - March 13, 2026 at 1:53 pm
RE: Veganism - by Angrboda - March 13, 2026 at 1:57 pm
RE: Veganism - by Disagreeable - March 13, 2026 at 2:00 pm
RE: Veganism - by Angrboda - March 13, 2026 at 2:02 pm
RE: Veganism - by Disagreeable - March 13, 2026 at 2:03 pm
RE: Veganism - by Disagreeable - March 13, 2026 at 2:04 pm
RE: Veganism - by Angrboda - March 13, 2026 at 2:06 pm
RE: Veganism - by Disagreeable - March 13, 2026 at 2:07 pm
RE: Veganism - by Angrboda - March 13, 2026 at 2:12 pm
RE: Veganism - by Disagreeable - March 13, 2026 at 2:15 pm
RE: Veganism - by Angrboda - March 13, 2026 at 2:22 pm
RE: Veganism - by Disagreeable - March 13, 2026 at 2:28 pm
RE: Veganism - by Angrboda - March 13, 2026 at 2:44 pm
RE: Veganism - by Disagreeable - March 13, 2026 at 2:51 pm
RE: Veganism - by Angrboda - March 13, 2026 at 3:45 pm
RE: Veganism - by Disagreeable - March 13, 2026 at 4:25 pm
RE: Veganism - by Angrboda - March 13, 2026 at 5:47 pm
RE: Veganism - by Disagreeable - March 13, 2026 at 6:04 pm
RE: Veganism - by Angrboda - March 13, 2026 at 6:47 pm
RE: Veganism - by Disagreeable - March 13, 2026 at 6:48 pm
RE: Veganism - by Angrboda - March 13, 2026 at 6:53 pm
RE: Veganism - by Disagreeable - March 13, 2026 at 6:54 pm
RE: Veganism - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - March 13, 2026 at 7:08 pm
RE: Veganism - by Disagreeable - March 13, 2026 at 6:59 pm
RE: Veganism - by Belacqua - March 13, 2026 at 8:02 pm
RE: Veganism - by Disagreeable - March 13, 2026 at 8:07 pm
RE: Veganism - by Disagreeable - March 13, 2026 at 6:27 pm
RE: Veganism - by Disagreeable - March 13, 2026 at 3:01 pm
RE: Veganism - by Angrboda - March 13, 2026 at 3:55 pm
RE: Veganism - by Disagreeable - March 13, 2026 at 4:01 pm
RE: Veganism - by Fake Messiah - March 13, 2026 at 4:04 pm
RE: Veganism - by Disagreeable - March 13, 2026 at 4:51 pm
RE: Veganism - by Thumpalumpacus - March 13, 2026 at 5:25 pm
RE: Veganism - by Disagreeable - March 13, 2026 at 5:32 pm
RE: Veganism - by Fake Messiah - March 13, 2026 at 5:33 pm
RE: Veganism - by Disagreeable - March 13, 2026 at 5:38 pm
RE: Veganism - by Fake Messiah - March 14, 2026 at 2:57 am
RE: Veganism - by Disagreeable - March 14, 2026 at 9:43 am
RE: Veganism - by Fake Messiah - March 14, 2026 at 10:09 am
RE: Veganism - by Disagreeable - March 14, 2026 at 12:02 pm
RE: Veganism - by Angrboda - March 14, 2026 at 1:21 pm
RE: Veganism - by Disagreeable - March 14, 2026 at 1:23 pm
RE: Veganism - by Angrboda - March 14, 2026 at 2:29 pm
RE: Veganism - by Disagreeable - March 14, 2026 at 2:34 pm
RE: Veganism - by Angrboda - March 14, 2026 at 3:24 pm
RE: Veganism - by Disagreeable - March 14, 2026 at 3:46 pm
RE: Veganism - by Angrboda - March 14, 2026 at 4:35 pm
RE: Veganism - by Disagreeable - March 14, 2026 at 4:37 pm
RE: Veganism - by Angrboda - March 14, 2026 at 4:40 pm
RE: Veganism - by Disagreeable - March 14, 2026 at 4:42 pm
RE: Veganism - by Angrboda - March 14, 2026 at 5:41 pm
RE: Veganism - by Disagreeable - March 14, 2026 at 5:49 pm
RE: Veganism - by Angrboda - March 14, 2026 at 5:55 pm
RE: Veganism - by Disagreeable - March 14, 2026 at 5:59 pm
RE: Veganism - by Fake Messiah - March 15, 2026 at 3:26 pm
RE: Veganism - by Ivan Denisovich - March 14, 2026 at 10:37 am
RE: Veganism - by Disagreeable - March 14, 2026 at 11:50 am
RE: Veganism - by Fake Messiah - March 14, 2026 at 12:02 pm
RE: Veganism - by Disagreeable - March 14, 2026 at 12:03 pm
RE: Veganism - by Fake Messiah - March 14, 2026 at 12:12 pm
RE: Veganism - by Ivan Denisovich - March 14, 2026 at 12:03 pm
RE: Veganism - by Disagreeable - March 14, 2026 at 12:04 pm
RE: Veganism - by Ivan Denisovich - March 14, 2026 at 12:19 pm
RE: Veganism - by Disagreeable - March 14, 2026 at 12:21 pm
RE: Veganism - by Thumpalumpacus - March 13, 2026 at 11:01 pm
RE: Veganism - by Disagreeable - March 14, 2026 at 9:41 am
RE: Veganism - by Thumpalumpacus - March 14, 2026 at 9:48 am
RE: Veganism - by Disagreeable - March 14, 2026 at 11:48 am
RE: Veganism - by Thumpalumpacus - March 14, 2026 at 12:13 pm
RE: Veganism - by Belacqua - March 14, 2026 at 12:19 pm
RE: Veganism - by Disagreeable - March 14, 2026 at 12:26 pm
RE: Veganism - by Angrboda - March 14, 2026 at 1:34 pm
RE: Veganism - by Disagreeable - March 14, 2026 at 1:35 pm
RE: Veganism - by Thumpalumpacus - March 14, 2026 at 12:22 pm
RE: Veganism - by Disagreeable - March 13, 2026 at 2:20 pm
RE: Veganism - by Disagreeable - March 13, 2026 at 2:09 pm
RE: Veganism - by Jackalope - March 13, 2026 at 1:42 pm
RE: Veganism - by Angrboda - March 13, 2026 at 1:50 pm
RE: Veganism - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - March 13, 2026 at 1:52 pm
RE: Veganism - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - March 13, 2026 at 1:48 pm
RE: Veganism - by Mister Agenda - March 13, 2026 at 1:54 pm
RE: Veganism - by Disagreeable - March 13, 2026 at 1:58 pm
RE: Veganism - by Disagreeable - March 13, 2026 at 2:11 pm
RE: Veganism - by Disagreeable - March 13, 2026 at 2:37 pm
RE: Veganism - by Fake Messiah - March 13, 2026 at 3:14 pm
RE: Veganism - by Disagreeable - March 13, 2026 at 3:36 pm
RE: Veganism - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - March 13, 2026 at 5:02 pm
RE: Veganism - by Disagreeable - March 13, 2026 at 5:04 pm
RE: Veganism - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - March 13, 2026 at 5:06 pm
RE: Veganism - by Disagreeable - March 13, 2026 at 5:09 pm
RE: Veganism - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - March 13, 2026 at 6:26 pm
RE: Veganism - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - March 13, 2026 at 5:04 pm
RE: Veganism - by Nay_Sayer - March 13, 2026 at 5:29 pm
RE: Veganism - by Paleophyte - March 13, 2026 at 7:28 pm
RE: Veganism - by Disagreeable - March 13, 2026 at 7:30 pm
RE: Veganism - by Paleophyte - March 13, 2026 at 7:32 pm
RE: Veganism - by Disagreeable - March 13, 2026 at 7:33 pm
RE: Veganism - by Paleophyte - March 13, 2026 at 7:36 pm
RE: Veganism - by Disagreeable - March 13, 2026 at 7:38 pm
RE: Veganism - by Paleophyte - March 13, 2026 at 7:44 pm
RE: Veganism - by Disagreeable - March 13, 2026 at 7:53 pm
RE: Veganism - by Paleophyte - March 13, 2026 at 8:20 pm
RE: Veganism - by Disagreeable - March 13, 2026 at 8:44 pm
RE: Veganism - by Paleophyte - March 13, 2026 at 8:46 pm
RE: Veganism - by Disagreeable - March 13, 2026 at 8:50 pm
RE: Veganism - by Paleophyte - March 13, 2026 at 9:18 pm
RE: Veganism - by Disagreeable - March 13, 2026 at 10:12 pm
RE: Veganism - by Paleophyte - March 13, 2026 at 11:18 pm
RE: Veganism - by Disagreeable - March 14, 2026 at 9:42 am
RE: Veganism - by The Valkyrie - March 13, 2026 at 9:20 pm
RE: Veganism - by Fireball - March 13, 2026 at 9:26 pm
RE: Veganism - by The Valkyrie - March 14, 2026 at 3:26 am
RE: Veganism - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - March 14, 2026 at 4:51 am
RE: Veganism - by Angrboda - March 13, 2026 at 10:11 pm
RE: Veganism - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - March 14, 2026 at 11:13 am
RE: Veganism - by Disagreeable - March 14, 2026 at 12:58 pm
RE: Veganism - by Thumpalumpacus - March 14, 2026 at 1:30 pm
RE: Veganism - by Disagreeable - March 14, 2026 at 1:32 pm
RE: Veganism - by Angrboda - March 14, 2026 at 2:39 pm
RE: Veganism - by Disagreeable - March 14, 2026 at 2:41 pm
RE: Veganism - by Angrboda - March 14, 2026 at 2:55 pm
RE: Veganism - by Disagreeable - March 14, 2026 at 2:59 pm
RE: Veganism - by The Grand Nudger - March 14, 2026 at 4:12 pm
RE: Veganism - by Disagreeable - March 14, 2026 at 4:14 pm
RE: Veganism - by The Grand Nudger - March 14, 2026 at 5:40 pm
RE: Veganism - by Disagreeable - March 14, 2026 at 5:53 pm
RE: Veganism - by The Grand Nudger - March 14, 2026 at 6:08 pm
RE: Veganism - by Disagreeable - March 15, 2026 at 3:56 pm
RE: Veganism - by Fake Messiah - March 15, 2026 at 4:43 pm
RE: Veganism - by Disagreeable - March 16, 2026 at 11:57 am
RE: Veganism - by Paleophyte - March 15, 2026 at 6:18 pm
RE: Veganism - by Disagreeable - March 16, 2026 at 11:58 am
RE: Veganism - by Paleophyte - March 16, 2026 at 1:18 pm
RE: Veganism - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - March 16, 2026 at 1:41 pm
RE: Veganism - by Disagreeable - March 16, 2026 at 1:41 pm
RE: Veganism - by Paleophyte - March 16, 2026 at 5:32 pm
RE: Veganism - by Disagreeable - March 16, 2026 at 6:57 pm
RE: Veganism - by Thumpalumpacus - March 16, 2026 at 7:01 pm
RE: Veganism - by Disagreeable - March 16, 2026 at 7:19 pm
RE: Veganism - by Thumpalumpacus - March 16, 2026 at 11:56 pm
RE: Veganism - by The Grand Nudger - March 17, 2026 at 8:54 am
RE: Veganism - by Thumpalumpacus - March 17, 2026 at 10:03 am
RE: Veganism - by The Grand Nudger - March 17, 2026 at 2:39 pm
RE: Veganism - by Paleophyte - March 17, 2026 at 4:20 am
RE: Veganism - by The Grand Nudger - March 17, 2026 at 8:56 am
RE: Veganism - by Disagreeable - March 17, 2026 at 11:46 am
RE: Veganism - by Thumpalumpacus - March 17, 2026 at 12:17 pm
RE: Veganism - by Disagreeable - March 17, 2026 at 12:24 pm
RE: Veganism - by Thumpalumpacus - March 17, 2026 at 12:36 pm
RE: Veganism - by Disagreeable - March 17, 2026 at 1:02 pm
RE: Veganism - by Thumpalumpacus - March 17, 2026 at 2:43 pm
RE: Veganism - by Disagreeable - March 17, 2026 at 11:45 am
RE: Veganism - by Paleophyte - March 17, 2026 at 3:06 pm
RE: Veganism - by Disagreeable - March 17, 2026 at 3:39 pm
RE: Veganism - by Paleophyte - March 17, 2026 at 4:02 pm
RE: Veganism - by Disagreeable - March 17, 2026 at 5:53 pm
RE: Veganism - by awty - March 17, 2026 at 6:02 pm
RE: Veganism - by Belacqua - March 17, 2026 at 9:25 pm
RE: Veganism - by Paleophyte - March 17, 2026 at 9:53 pm
RE: Veganism - by Disagreeable - March 18, 2026 at 2:50 pm
RE: Veganism - by Paleophyte - March 18, 2026 at 5:20 pm
RE: Veganism - by Disagreeable - March 18, 2026 at 6:44 pm
RE: Veganism - by Paleophyte - March 19, 2026 at 7:35 am
RE: Veganism - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - March 19, 2026 at 11:26 am
RE: Veganism - by Thumpalumpacus - March 19, 2026 at 12:02 pm
RE: Veganism - by Paleophyte - March 19, 2026 at 6:15 pm
RE: Veganism - by Thumpalumpacus - March 19, 2026 at 10:46 pm
RE: Veganism - by Disagreeable - March 19, 2026 at 3:20 pm
RE: Veganism - by Paleophyte - March 19, 2026 at 6:17 pm
RE: Veganism - by Disagreeable - March 20, 2026 at 7:59 am
RE: Veganism - by Fake Messiah - March 20, 2026 at 9:10 am
RE: Veganism - by The Grand Nudger - March 20, 2026 at 6:46 pm
RE: Veganism - by Disagreeable - March 22, 2026 at 7:14 pm
RE: Veganism - by Paleophyte - March 21, 2026 at 4:54 pm
RE: Veganism - by The Grand Nudger - March 21, 2026 at 7:22 pm
RE: Veganism - by Paleophyte - March 21, 2026 at 7:31 pm
RE: Veganism - by Thumpalumpacus - March 21, 2026 at 8:49 pm
RE: Veganism - by Disagreeable - March 22, 2026 at 7:19 pm
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RE: Veganism - by Disagreeable - March 22, 2026 at 7:17 pm
RE: Veganism - by Paleophyte - March 22, 2026 at 8:24 pm
RE: Veganism - by Fake Messiah - March 22, 2026 at 9:02 pm
RE: Veganism - by Disagreeable - March 23, 2026 at 2:27 pm
RE: Veganism - by Disagreeable - March 23, 2026 at 2:24 pm
RE: Veganism - by Thumpalumpacus - March 23, 2026 at 6:09 pm
RE: Veganism - by Disagreeable - April 7, 2026 at 5:59 am
RE: Veganism - by Disagreeable - March 19, 2026 at 3:22 pm
RE: Veganism - by Paleophyte - March 19, 2026 at 6:20 pm
RE: Veganism - by Disagreeable - March 20, 2026 at 8:03 am
RE: Veganism - by Paleophyte - March 21, 2026 at 4:59 pm
RE: Veganism - by Disagreeable - March 22, 2026 at 7:18 pm
RE: Veganism - by Disagreeable - March 17, 2026 at 11:55 am
RE: Veganism - by The Grand Nudger - March 15, 2026 at 8:17 pm
RE: Veganism - by Thumpalumpacus - March 15, 2026 at 11:21 pm
RE: Veganism - by The Grand Nudger - March 15, 2026 at 11:36 pm
RE: Veganism - by Thumpalumpacus - March 16, 2026 at 12:30 am
RE: Veganism - by Fake Messiah - March 16, 2026 at 4:01 am
RE: Veganism - by The Grand Nudger - March 16, 2026 at 9:55 am
RE: Veganism - by Thumpalumpacus - March 16, 2026 at 2:18 pm
RE: Veganism - by Disagreeable - March 16, 2026 at 2:31 pm
RE: Veganism - by Thumpalumpacus - March 16, 2026 at 3:20 pm
RE: Veganism - by Mister Agenda - March 16, 2026 at 2:25 pm
RE: Veganism - by Thumpalumpacus - March 16, 2026 at 2:27 pm
RE: Veganism - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - March 16, 2026 at 3:31 pm
RE: Veganism - by Thumpalumpacus - March 16, 2026 at 3:47 pm
RE: Veganism - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - March 16, 2026 at 5:09 pm
RE: Veganism - by The Grand Nudger - March 16, 2026 at 7:12 pm
RE: Veganism - by awty - March 16, 2026 at 7:49 pm
RE: Veganism - by The Grand Nudger - March 16, 2026 at 9:03 pm
RE: Veganism - by Angrboda - March 16, 2026 at 9:38 pm
RE: Veganism - by Fireball - March 17, 2026 at 12:57 pm
RE: Veganism - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - March 17, 2026 at 1:23 pm
RE: Veganism - by Angrboda - March 17, 2026 at 1:38 pm
RE: Veganism - by Mister Agenda - March 17, 2026 at 1:46 pm
RE: Veganism - by awty - March 17, 2026 at 1:24 pm
RE: Veganism - by The Grand Nudger - March 17, 2026 at 5:10 pm
RE: Veganism - by The Grand Nudger - March 17, 2026 at 6:26 pm
RE: Veganism - by Thumpalumpacus - March 17, 2026 at 6:50 pm
RE: Veganism - by The Grand Nudger - March 17, 2026 at 7:05 pm
RE: Veganism - by Thumpalumpacus - March 17, 2026 at 9:12 pm
RE: Veganism - by The Grand Nudger - March 17, 2026 at 11:29 pm
RE: Veganism - by Jackalope - March 18, 2026 at 6:48 pm
RE: Veganism - by The Grand Nudger - March 18, 2026 at 11:53 pm
RE: Veganism - by Disagreeable - March 19, 2026 at 5:10 pm
RE: Veganism - by The Grand Nudger - March 19, 2026 at 7:25 pm
RE: Veganism - by Thumpalumpacus - March 19, 2026 at 10:59 pm
RE: Veganism - by Paleophyte - March 20, 2026 at 12:47 am
RE: Veganism - by The Grand Nudger - March 20, 2026 at 6:40 pm
RE: Veganism - by Paleophyte - March 21, 2026 at 5:06 pm
RE: Veganism - by The Grand Nudger - March 21, 2026 at 7:26 pm
RE: Veganism - by Nay_Sayer - March 20, 2026 at 12:03 pm
RE: Veganism - by The Grand Nudger - March 21, 2026 at 7:46 pm
RE: Veganism - by Paleophyte - March 22, 2026 at 8:14 pm
RE: Veganism - by Thumpalumpacus - March 22, 2026 at 8:20 pm
RE: Veganism - by The Grand Nudger - March 23, 2026 at 7:48 pm
RE: Veganism - by Paleophyte - March 23, 2026 at 8:02 pm
RE: Veganism - by The Grand Nudger - March 23, 2026 at 8:17 pm
RE: Veganism - by Paleophyte - March 23, 2026 at 8:37 pm
RE: Veganism - by Paleophyte - March 23, 2026 at 8:05 pm
RE: Veganism - by The Grand Nudger - March 23, 2026 at 8:12 pm
RE: Veganism - by Thumpalumpacus - March 22, 2026 at 10:13 pm
RE: Veganism - by Fake Messiah - March 22, 2026 at 10:37 pm
RE: Veganism - by The Grand Nudger - March 23, 2026 at 8:06 pm
RE: Veganism - by Paleophyte - March 23, 2026 at 8:16 pm
RE: Veganism - by The Grand Nudger - March 23, 2026 at 9:49 pm
RE: Veganism - by The Grand Nudger - March 23, 2026 at 7:54 pm
RE: Veganism - by Thumpalumpacus - March 23, 2026 at 11:30 pm
RE: Veganism - by Fake Messiah - March 24, 2026 at 5:51 am
RE: Veganism - by The Grand Nudger - March 24, 2026 at 8:24 pm
RE: Veganism - by The Grand Nudger - March 24, 2026 at 8:14 pm
RE: Veganism - by Thumpalumpacus - March 23, 2026 at 1:54 am
RE: Veganism - by Paleophyte - March 23, 2026 at 2:48 am
RE: Veganism - by awty - March 23, 2026 at 3:04 pm
RE: Veganism - by Thumpalumpacus - March 24, 2026 at 8:30 pm
RE: Veganism - by The Grand Nudger - March 24, 2026 at 9:25 pm
RE: Veganism - by Thumpalumpacus - March 24, 2026 at 10:18 pm
RE: Veganism - by The Grand Nudger - March 24, 2026 at 10:57 pm
RE: Veganism - by Thumpalumpacus - March 24, 2026 at 11:42 pm
RE: Veganism - by The Grand Nudger - March 25, 2026 at 9:31 am
RE: Veganism - by Thumpalumpacus - March 25, 2026 at 9:42 am
RE: Veganism - by The Grand Nudger - March 25, 2026 at 10:10 am
RE: Veganism - by Thumpalumpacus - March 25, 2026 at 11:42 am
RE: Veganism - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - March 25, 2026 at 12:13 pm
RE: Veganism - by The Grand Nudger - March 25, 2026 at 4:07 pm
RE: Veganism - by The Grand Nudger - March 25, 2026 at 10:34 am
RE: Veganism - by Angrboda - March 25, 2026 at 10:55 am
RE: Veganism - by The Grand Nudger - March 25, 2026 at 4:01 pm
RE: Veganism - by The Grand Nudger - March 25, 2026 at 4:47 pm
RE: Veganism - by Thumpalumpacus - March 25, 2026 at 5:23 pm
RE: Veganism - by The Grand Nudger - March 25, 2026 at 6:00 pm
RE: Veganism - by Thumpalumpacus - March 25, 2026 at 6:41 pm
RE: Veganism - by The Grand Nudger - March 25, 2026 at 7:05 pm
RE: Veganism - by Thumpalumpacus - March 25, 2026 at 10:21 pm
RE: Veganism - by The Grand Nudger - March 25, 2026 at 10:41 pm
RE: Veganism - by Thumpalumpacus - March 26, 2026 at 12:52 am
RE: Veganism - by The Grand Nudger - March 26, 2026 at 1:19 am
RE: Veganism - by Thumpalumpacus - March 26, 2026 at 1:57 am
RE: Veganism - by The Grand Nudger - March 26, 2026 at 2:31 am
RE: Veganism - by Thumpalumpacus - March 26, 2026 at 9:56 am
RE: Veganism - by The Grand Nudger - March 26, 2026 at 1:21 pm
RE: Veganism - by Thumpalumpacus - March 26, 2026 at 3:27 pm
RE: Veganism - by The Grand Nudger - March 26, 2026 at 4:33 pm
RE: Veganism - by Thumpalumpacus - March 26, 2026 at 4:41 pm
RE: Veganism - by The Grand Nudger - March 26, 2026 at 5:05 pm
RE: Veganism - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - April 7, 2026 at 6:13 am
RE: Veganism - by Thumpalumpacus - April 7, 2026 at 9:59 am
RE: Veganism - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - April 7, 2026 at 12:08 pm

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