(March 13, 2026 at 10:12 pm)Disagreeable Wrote:(March 13, 2026 at 9:18 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: That isn't what I was saying. You're trying to establish the existence of a middle ground that can't exist.
Weirdly, it seems to me that you are the one offering a middle ground because you seem to be talking about something that is neither descriptive nor normative, or neither fully objective nor fully subjective, whereas I'm asking which is it, or if it's both then in which sense is it each.
I'll stop pressing you though as I don't think that I'm going to understand what you're saying. I can't comprehend what it means for something to be neither normative nor descriptive.
I can't be held responsible for your seemings. The "fact" describes our understanding of how the world is. The word "normative" describes our opinion of how the world ought to be. "Normative facts" are much like dry water, a lovely abuse of language and thinking.


