(March 13, 2026 at 11:18 pm)Paleophyte Wrote:(March 13, 2026 at 10:12 pm)Disagreeable Wrote: Weirdly, it seems to me that you are the one offering a middle ground because you seem to be talking about something that is neither descriptive nor normative, or neither fully objective nor fully subjective, whereas I'm asking which is it, or if it's both then in which sense is it each.
I'll stop pressing you though as I don't think that I'm going to understand what you're saying. I can't comprehend what it means for something to be neither normative nor descriptive.
I can't be held responsible for your seemings. The "fact" describes our understanding of how the world is. The word "normative" describes our opinion of how the world ought to be. "Normative facts" are much like dry water, a lovely abuse of language and thinking.
I find your rejection of normative facts completely intelligible, it was your rejection of descriptive facts that I found odd.
Schopenhauer Wrote:The intellect has become free, and in this state it does not even know or understand any other interest than that of truth.
Epicurus Wrote:The greatest reward of righteousness is peace of mind.
Epicurus Wrote:Don't fear god,
Don't worry about death;
What is good is easy to get,
What is terrible is easy to endure
