Disagreeable Wrote:This just begs the question.
So I'm begging the question by pointing out that you don't have evidence for your claim which you are trying to hide with bad analogies. Go figure.
Disagreeable Wrote:I can point to someone being tortured.
Yeah, like me reading your replies in which you are proven wrong but still insist that you are somehow right. Don't you know that torture is immoral?
Disagreeable Wrote:It can be argued that we do see that. Women's rights, gay rights, the abolition of slavery.
We don't see that because in many countries women's rights and gay rights are not a thing, and even in countries where they do exist, there are many prominent people that want to overthrow them.
So in order for you to say they are objectively good (or "morally realistic") you have to answer why are people against them? But you won't.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
