The Grand Nudger Wrote:First, universalism and realism are wildly distinct ideas about morality. Second, no, lol. Moral realism doesn't tell you "what is moral". There is no list.
Well, if you can compare moral realism to targets that an individual needs to hit with an arrow (or he is a "bad shooter"), then they do say that there are objective morals out there that are true independently of individual or cultural opinions. It also implies that the societies that do not hit that mark are primitive and immoral.
The Grand Nudger Wrote:Moral realism is a way to think about a morality that leans on what is or is not factually true as a guide for ones own behavior. Thus, here I am agreeing that the underlying point that ethical veganism and vegetarianism begin with is a valid one, and is true - but I don't think this puts every meat eater on some bad list - and I continue to eat meat myself.
It seems that you think that moral realism is about personal morality, but that is not what the OP is saying, especially since he also went on talking about other subjects. So if he is not claiming this, then he probably doesn't know what he's talking about and that there is no clear subject of this thread.
Besides, it seems that you told me earlier that moral realism is objective: In moral realism, so do the objects of moral truth. This is exactly what it means to say that a thing or statement or proposition or claim is metaethically objective.
Nevertheless, what ever it is or isn't, it seems that this is all just a lot of nuanced talk where the OP is not saying anything concrete but is nevertheless trying to shoehorn some questionable ideologies.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"


