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How it is Supposed to Work
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RE: How it is Supposed to Work
(June 26, 2026 at 5:40 pm)Leonardo17 Wrote: 1) It wasn’t so in my time or I was simply too young to notice the more political approaches within religious settings. Today I don’t even think of going to the mosque anymore. But that wasn’t always the case.
Maybe it wasn't so in your time..but it is so in your suggestion.  You both believe that children should be indoctrinated but also that the indoctrination centers shouldn't be indoctrination centers.  I'm assuming you think this was better in your time..but if so, are you not suggesting that kids should have it worse than you did?  
 
Quote:2) These crusaders are simply populist politicians who have become specialists in the manipulation of people with low intelligence. They are still nothing close to the raw material we have available in abundance here, all over the Middle-East. That’s what this Bjorn Andreas is talking about. In my opinion the Prophet was not whatever this Bjorn is saying he was. I think he was a highly spiritual man and a good example to anyone who aspires to become spiritual. But there are people here (probably even in my city) who will commit these disgusting acts on children and then say that the prophet himself did it. + We have local authorities turning a blind eye on these because they don’t want to lose them as voters (these things have happened and I am not exaggerating). And yes, if you don’t know how to differentiate (I do because it’s in my culture), you may come upon people who claim that all non-Muslim territories are territories that must be conquered by Muslims for the good of their inhabitants (because if they die as Muslims, Buddhists or whatever they will be sent to eternal flames when they die).
They aren't -just- populist politicians.  IDK what kind of raw material you have over there but even if they weren't whatever that is our crusaders have more and better weapons and money than yours.  The entire world is their hostage.  

I didn't actually watch the video, I'm guessing it's some reich wing nut...but if he called big mo a pedo and a warlord and a terrorist he managed to get something right in spite of himself.  Now...most guys like that have an upper victim limit.  They die and victimize no more.  However, as you pointed out, big mo is the inspiration and holy justification for a spree that's 1,400 years long...and still counting.  One wonders how many people enabled the great slaughterers of history and the epsteins of the world for fear of losing the public.  A statement which, all by itself, is damning.  Maybe big mo was a nut high on his own supply...but you're telling me that contemporary leaders who don't really believe in that shit pretend not to notice so they can hold onto some tiny sliver of power.  Is that supposed to be better, because it seems worse? Whichever way, I can tell you the ones over here actually are true believers in the stupid shit they say. They're not pandering to ignorant belief, they're championing it.
 
Quote:   So correct me if I am wrong. But the West got over all of this stuff after the great plague. The new religion that came after the renaissance was still very oppressive and is still very oppressive today, but it was nothing like all of the irrational stuff we still have to deal with here today. Ex: At the beginning of the last century we even had “wise men” who believed that the usage of blackboards (you know with chalk pens etc.) was un-Islamic because it was the invention of non-Muslims.
You're wrong.  No abrahamic culture has yet gotten over this stuff.  They've all got these jihadis and clerics who believe insane shit and are willing to do violence to neighbor and stranger alike on the basis of that belief - and as evidence of that I would ask you to just read the news.  Zionists are wilding out.  Dominionists are wilding out.  Islamists are wilding out.  The supposedly more moderate and thoughtful cultural variants of each are at the very least going along to get along or maybe just to hold on to their privilege and power.  To an outsider, that seems to suggest that's there's something very and deeply wrong with the whole abrahamic god concept.  
 
Quote:The remaining part of the message: As I said, the Western perception of Islam is still largely based on medieval church doctrines. It’s normal for all sorts of dogmatic belief system to try to make one belief system bad and their own belief system good in some way. In this century we can value one, also value the other, even value the skeptical approach and unite forces against the irrational or the sum of approaches that are harmful to all of us as a specie. But as I said, first you need some Norwegian guy who is willing the express all his negative toughts about something without any restriction. I see it as a good thing Smile
The thing that you're missing is that the abrahamics actually cannot value the one -and- the other.  No more than they can value anything other than themselves.  It's a defining characteristic of monotheistic beliefs systems - literally in the name. The idea of valuing the skeptical approach is fundamentally nullifying.  You'd think desolation of pagan europe and africa and the middle east and the americas would be instructive - that the internecine genocide in gaza and lebanon would be instructive. That the attempt to establish and invest power within a state church would be instructive.  No, no, you...and in fairness so many other people.... keep insisting that a degenerate belief system established on a murderous foundation by charismatic sociopaths is going to start doing something else, going to stop doing what it's been doing all along.  

Your OPQ is a good one....but I don't think it has a very convenient answer for the big three.  How is it supposed to work?  Exactly as it is and has been.  None of this is a bug, it's a feature..hell, it's the whole goddamned raison d'etre. In short, theism..is evil. Not when it's done wrong...when it's done right. The whole fucking world needs more and more theists to do theism wrong, and quick, because as it stands a bunch of apocalyptic quacks have their hands on all the apocalyptic weapons and we're one bad plate of shrimp away from armageddon. On a scale of one to ten what do you think the odds are of the last words spoken in any human language right now being some variant of "and god bless our troops"...?

I'm guessing Eleventy.
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Messages In This Thread
How it is Supposed to Work - by Leonardo17 - June 25, 2026 at 5:10 pm
RE: How it is Supposed to Work - by The Grand Nudger - June 25, 2026 at 7:09 pm
RE: How it is Supposed to Work - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - June 26, 2026 at 3:43 am
RE: How it is Supposed to Work - by Deesse23 - June 26, 2026 at 7:49 am
RE: How it is Supposed to Work - by Leonardo17 - June 26, 2026 at 5:40 pm
RE: How it is Supposed to Work - by The Grand Nudger - June 26, 2026 at 10:22 pm
RE: How it is Supposed to Work - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - June 26, 2026 at 6:34 pm
RE: How it is Supposed to Work - by Angrboda - June 26, 2026 at 7:19 pm
RE: How it is Supposed to Work - by Belacqua - June 26, 2026 at 8:45 pm
RE: How it is Supposed to Work - by The Grand Nudger - June 26, 2026 at 10:42 pm
RE: How it is Supposed to Work - by The Grand Nudger - June 26, 2026 at 11:11 pm
RE: How it is Supposed to Work - by Paleophyte - June 27, 2026 at 1:49 am
RE: How it is Supposed to Work - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - June 27, 2026 at 6:45 am
RE: How it is Supposed to Work - by The Grand Nudger - June 27, 2026 at 10:19 am
RE: How it is Supposed to Work - by Angrboda - June 27, 2026 at 10:29 am
RE: How it is Supposed to Work - by Leonardo17 - June 30, 2026 at 11:35 am
RE: How it is Supposed to Work - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - June 30, 2026 at 12:46 pm
RE: How it is Supposed to Work - by awty - June 30, 2026 at 1:10 pm
RE: How it is Supposed to Work - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - June 30, 2026 at 1:16 pm
RE: How it is Supposed to Work - by Leonardo17 - June 30, 2026 at 7:24 pm
RE: How it is Supposed to Work - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - June 30, 2026 at 9:29 pm
RE: How it is Supposed to Work - by Leonardo17 - July 1, 2026 at 4:39 pm
RE: How it is Supposed to Work - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - July 1, 2026 at 5:19 pm
RE: How it is Supposed to Work - by Belacqua - July 2, 2026 at 12:53 am
RE: How it is Supposed to Work - by Angrboda - July 1, 2026 at 7:08 pm
RE: How it is Supposed to Work - by Belacqua - July 2, 2026 at 12:56 am
RE: How it is Supposed to Work - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - July 2, 2026 at 4:38 am
RE: How it is Supposed to Work - by Leonardo17 - July 2, 2026 at 9:43 am
RE: How it is Supposed to Work - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - July 2, 2026 at 12:28 pm

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