More Ron Bashing

[reverendjeremiah]

Kudos for that statement! Except for one...how come it is only "Anarchists" who see the truth?

Of course I did mean not mean it exactly that way. I was merely following the flow of the argument. Of course more than anarchists can see the problem.

Why label such a thing as "anarchy" which suggests total chaos and destruction when in reality these "anarchists" can more correctly be percieved and understood as visionaries or reconstructionists or the Neo-ForeFathers of the 21st century.

You dont know me yet, nor have you seen my posts before. I do not consider anarchy to be "chaos and destruction. I consider "chaos and destruction" to be chaos and destruction. I consider "anarchy" to be "no heirachy". If you joined this group a month earlier you would have known that. When i speak of "anarchy", I mean Emma Goldman, Bakunin, and such.

Rev Jerry ha some good ideas but unfortunately you color everything with your own darkened P.O.V. of nihilism and despair.

They arent my ideas. I am trying desperately to correctly put forth the theories of libertarian left anarchism on this forum as presented by much greater people before me. I am merely a student of it. I am not a nihilist, though nihilism does influence much of my thought. As far as dispair, Im a bit of a pessimist.

You expect things to change overnite

Incorrect. Yesterday on another post I pointed out there is no quick fix I can think of, and even revolution is not a quick fix.

Are you guys aware of the Zeitgeist Movement and R.B.E. Resource Based Economy?

I am aware of the Zeit movie and how much of a conspiracy theory it is and how easy it is to debunk it. I am also aware of the RBE, which is nothing more than Anarcho-syndicalism (otherwsie known as "techno-anarchy") with a new, more modern name.

Very "cutting edge" and full of brilliant minds such as Peter Joseph who is the founder and creator of Zeitgeist film series.

Im all for RBE, but I dont want its foundations to be based on lies and conspiracy theories.

Trust me you will LOVE his films all on Youtube. He investigates Christianity, 911, Federal Reserve, and so much more

His "investigations" are nothing of the sort. In fact a popular website created by a supported of RBE has made the same complaints I just did, and he walks you through the movie claim by claim.
http://conspiracies.skepticproject.com/a...zeitgeist/
All zeitgeist is doing is giving anarcho-syndicalism a bad name by connecting it with lame conspiracy theories.

Zeitgeist doesnt even get the federal reserve correct, as that is NOT how it works.

All in all, many young Americans believe that Ron Paul is the ONE tiny step in this right direction.

He's a step in the OPPOSITE direction of RBE. RBE is a left libertarian system, where as Ron Paul is nothing more than a neo-conservative with minor right libertarian leanings. How can increasing capitalistic tendencies bring us closer to an RBE based system? It doesnt, and it cant.

Know the facts people and quit being so damn pessimistic! Pessimism is a self fulfilling prophecy. Yet so is optimism. If you don't at least believe that fact of consciousness, then you will be a victim of it in the end. Karma is a bitch.

I clearly know the facts, and have pointed out that you are pushing conspiracy theories as fact. You have been duped into the zeit movement, which uses a lie to spread a good goal for humanity. I am opposed to such lies. You should be too if you are concerned with facts.

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'Anarchists see the truth, because their eyes are open'

Oh brother. Anarchists see a daft utopian 'truth' that couldn't work, especially in such a divisive country like America.

Easy now, i was merely following the flow of the previous post. Of course more than just anarchists can see it. And I agree that it can not work NOW in America. I am not a revolutionary anarchist. I am willing to work towards it. For example, I would vote for the Green Party, or maybe some of the Social Democrats. In order for Syndicalism to happen, we have to get over our sexism, racism, etc....but it also doesnt help that the government inspires these socially negative aspects as well.
Does that sound "daft" to you now?

Remove the civil rights act and what would happen? Legalised segregation and minorities being picked on again, how about we just get a timemachine and go back to the 30's for a spot of lynching?

Although I agree that removing that civil rights act NOW would be a bad thing, I still think Anarcho-syndicalism would be a great goal. Im for slowly moving towards it. We need to evolve as a society more before we can reach a point such as AS. Some societies, such as Spain in the 30's handled it quite well with no lynchings. but, then again, they arent hateful and racist American's either.

Remove Roe vs Wade and what would happen? Mothers going to Mexico for abortions, wonder how many of them would be botched?

Racism without a government? Yes. Abortion being banned without a govt? No. mind you that the GOVERNMENT is what kept people from getting abortions. Without a government there would be plenty of doctors willing to do the procedure. You are correct about the racism, but not about the abortion.

Remove Income tax what would happen? Increase in poverty because credulous fools like you libertarians really believe that businesses will create jobs instead of putting the money in their own pockets. Yeah, cos thats worked before hasn't it.

No government means no private property. Land will be held in common. no government means no corporations. Without land rights and without corporations we have a major improvement on society right there. Food will be held in common.

Does that sound like Paul Libertarianism to you? No. Thats because I am a LEFT Libertarian of the likes of Noam Chomsky, where as Paul is nothiing more than a neo-con with RIGHT libertarian leanings.

I have seen your previous posts, and i know you are intelligent, and that is why I forgive you for calling me a fool and a "Libertarian" (the American type libertarian, which is RIGHT WING libertarianism and supporters of unchecked capitalism). There are many legitimate reasons to call me a fool, this isnt one of them.

I hope I cleared that up for you.

Removal of Dept of Education. As pointed out, it's not perfect and probably should be rebuilt. But private education as the alternative? C'mon, u serious or u mad? Imagine the amount of fundy schools that would pop up pretty certain they'd lack a decent amount of math and science, but excel at religious studies, you'd all get a 4.0 at batshit. But there is a bond between good education and economics prosperity, and funnily enough the best one is in Finland, a country with NO private education, read this. http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/201...tion_N.htm

I agree. Thats why when Pauls name comes up I point out how bat shit nutty it is of him to make "problem target number one" of the dept of education. The dept of education is not the big problem. Unchecked banks are the problem. Unchecked wallstreet is the problem. unchecked CAPITALISM is the problem, if we MUST have capitalism, that is. I oppose capitalism for the most part, at least the way America is running it right now.

Removal of EPA. So polluters answer directly answer to people, right. Koch brothers vs Average Joe. And in court it'd be like this:

I agree. The only way we can remove it would be to remove the totality of government, meaning that corpoarations would cease to exist as they will no longer have government protection or land rights. there will no longer be politicans to bribe. Land will be held in common and the workers outnumber the corporate buttboys a million to one.

Taking on big business like Koch Industries, HAHA. Nice one, because they don't have a reputation of lining the right peoples pockets.

Remove government protection of their land and patents and watch how quick the koch brothers change their public appearance and approach.

'It is God Who gave us life. As He is free, so are those He created in His image. Our rights to life and liberty are inalienable.' Ron Paul.

I know..right...talk about a nutter.

But I won't help anyone else become free, fuck everyone else, goodbye foreign aid, I don't care if your free, or even alive for that matter, fuck off UN, WHO in fact any organisation that does good, people in peasant countries should help themselves, whilst we buy their natural resources for immensely tiny prices. Class act Ron Paul.

Anarcho syndicalists will not be quitting foreign aid. trades will come together to offer help if they see fit, but foreign aid will no longer be entrenched or politicised. Ron Paul is a buffoon