RE: Can bible really be interpreted as if there is no torment but you cease to exist
February 5, 2012 at 4:11 am
I didn't catch up on more than one page, but here's my response.
Many of the Lutheran and Calvanistic sects don't preach or believe in eternal torment. Most non-denominationals (while completely independant) find it morally repugnant and false doctrine.
Here's my interpretaion shared by many (argumentum ad populum not withstanding) OT Hell is Sheol and a place for all dead to go (not just the sinners). NT Hell is commonly envisioned as the lake of fire, that burns eternal, that is designed for Satan and his fallen angels. Souls in Sheol and all the rest will be cast into it after the second judgement if they aren't in the book of life. By default, if you can't get into heaven, then you're resigned to hell, where your soul will be destroyed per Jesus.
If you're curious then you can check out the Essenes influence on Christian belief in the immortality of the soul. Here's a decent article that tries an unbiased approach.
(February 2, 2012 at 10:03 am)Pel Wrote: Peace. You know how Jehovas witnesses and a few others(can someone who knows post who are the others) believe that the interpretation of eternal torment and the eternal fire means that you burn up and there fore you cease to exist.
I kind of believe that that's what God would do as a punishment and it makes sense. I mean He doesnt have to torment someone for eternity.
Now, my question To those who believe in hell same as Jehovah's Witnesses that is that you cease to exist, how does eternally tormented mean cessation of existence?
And to those who believe in eternal torment: Why would God do something like that?
Also, are Jehovah's witnesses honest with them selves in their interpretation? I suppose they really believe in it because they would not refuse blood transfusion that can otherwise save their lives at times if they where not sinciere!
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Many of the Lutheran and Calvanistic sects don't preach or believe in eternal torment. Most non-denominationals (while completely independant) find it morally repugnant and false doctrine.
Here's my interpretaion shared by many (argumentum ad populum not withstanding) OT Hell is Sheol and a place for all dead to go (not just the sinners). NT Hell is commonly envisioned as the lake of fire, that burns eternal, that is designed for Satan and his fallen angels. Souls in Sheol and all the rest will be cast into it after the second judgement if they aren't in the book of life. By default, if you can't get into heaven, then you're resigned to hell, where your soul will be destroyed per Jesus.
If you're curious then you can check out the Essenes influence on Christian belief in the immortality of the soul. Here's a decent article that tries an unbiased approach.
(February 2, 2012 at 2:45 pm)Doubting Thomas Wrote: OK let's talk about this Christian/JW mythology for a second. Why would there ever need to be eternal hellfire for a finite number of souls which will be burned up? After the world ends and there's no more evil souls being cast into hell, why would the fire need to keep burning? No, I'm pretty sure the idea of eternal hellfire goes along with the idea of eternal punishment/damnation.The fires of hell aren't burning because of the souls in there (as there are none yet). They burn forever because that's where Satan lives after the judgement, not because it's fuled by the suffering of tormented souls.
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